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How many points can Aleksey Morozov can get in the NHL?

View Poll Results: How many points can Aleksey Morozov can get in the NHL?
10-30 pts 9 6.82%
31-50 pts 34 25.76%
51-70 pts 49 37.12%
71-90 pts 26 19.70%
90+ pts 1 0.76%
Meh... 13 9.85%
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03-31-2009, 12:11 AM
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i am 100% sure that if Ovechkin or Malkin would leave the NHL then we can see there a lot of people who will call them as a NOBODYS because they truly believe in one and only N H L !!!
They wouldn't be nobodys, but the defensemen they play against night in and night out would be.

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03-31-2009, 04:00 AM
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They wouldn't be nobodys, but the defensemen they play against night in and night out would be.
Ovechkin got 26 points in 37 games in his last season in Russia and right next year he got 106 points(81 games) in NHL . Malkin got 47 points in 46 games and next year in NHL 85 points in 75 games. i would say that those defenseman arent bad at all

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03-31-2009, 09:37 AM
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Ovechkin got 26 points in 37 games in his last season in Russia and right next year he got 106 points(81 games) in NHL . Malkin got 47 points in 46 games and next year in NHL 85 points in 75 games. i would say that those defenseman arent bad at all
By the same token, there are plenty of guys in which the reverse is also true.

Some just perform under the different systems better.

Morozov I always found inconsistent, even with good linemates. Much like Kovalev.

I say he maxes out at 70 points.

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03-31-2009, 09:40 AM
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Guys, Morozov had 50 points playing with Rico Fata, Konstantin Koltsov and Milan Kraft.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000502004.html

But of-course, he would only get 10-30 points now because he plays in terrible KHL.

Guys, I'm not suggestion he would be a star in NHL, but I do think he would be a first-line player on a good team. I don't think 70+ points is a stretch.

Look, take it from someone who has watched him play in the NHL and Russia, he's a VERY different player. He was very hesitant player in the NHL, with no self-confidence. He's a very aggressive and confident player now.

His play-making ability is another thing that has improved by a large margin.

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What about Mozyakin?

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03-31-2009, 02:47 PM
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Ovechkin got 26 points in 37 games in his last season in Russia and right next year he got 106 points(81 games) in NHL . Malkin got 47 points in 46 games and next year in NHL 85 points in 75 games. i would say that those defenseman arent bad at all
What's your point really?

Scoring in Europe in generally lower, big ice, no stars industry when forward play around 25 minutes, conservative coaches, secondary assists are given much more seldom etc.

Ovechkin was a young boy when he left. He wasn't the first and wouldn't be the last who had a breakthrough season.

Malkin also left as a 20 y.o. boy. He added some muscle, serious international experince.

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03-31-2009, 03:04 PM
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What's your point really?

Scoring in Europe in generally lower, big ice, no stars industry when forward play around 25 minutes, conservative coaches, secondary assists are given much more seldom etc.

Ovechkin was a young boy when he left. He wasn't the first and wouldn't be the last who had a breakthrough season.

Malkin also left as a 20 y.o. boy. He added some muscle, serious international experince.
We know, that AO kid just maturad a lot. Just a 6 mounth's of maturing and he is the man. But what about Semin?

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What's your point really?

Scoring in Europe in generally lower, big ice, no stars industry when forward play around 25 minutes, conservative coaches, secondary assists are given much more seldom etc.

Ovechkin was a young boy when he left. He wasn't the first and wouldn't be the last who had a breakthrough season.

Malkin also left as a 20 y.o. boy. He added some muscle, serious international experince.
yeah right he was young boy when he left russia but somehow just after 3 months he just explode over the NHL . allmost same story with Malkin. you didnt get a point?? follow instructions see above. you better explain them ( who bashing Marozov) what kind a hockey we have in europe but not to me

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What's your point really?

Scoring in Europe in generally lower, big ice, no stars industry when forward play around 25 minutes, conservative coaches, secondary assists are given much more seldom etc.

Ovechkin was a young boy when he left. He wasn't the first and wouldn't be the last who had a breakthrough season.

Malkin also left as a 20 y.o. boy. He added some muscle, serious international experince.
If Malkin has apparently "added some muscle" I must see how he looked before this lol.

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His last three seasons were 49 in 72, 25 in 27 and 50 in 75, the NHL is better suited to him now and he is a much more focussed and better player in his prime so I don't see why people vote that he would have less points than he did in pre lockout NHL.

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Ovechkin got 26 points in 37 games in his last season in Russia and right next year he got 106 points(81 games) in NHL . Malkin got 47 points in 46 games and next year in NHL 85 points in 75 games. i would say that those defenseman arent bad at all
Is it that hard to see that Malkin and Ovechkin were maturing at the time? Or that different leagues field different results because the styles of play are totally different?

Ovechkin was outscored that same year in the Russian League by Viktor Kozlov, Slava Kozlov, Alexander Frolov, Nik Zherdev, Mikhail Grabovski, Alex Perezhogin, Petr Sykora, Maxim Afinegenov etc

None of those players are what the NHL would call, offensive threats.

Assuming just because 1 player had low stats then suddenly had big stats in the NHL that everyone would be like that is just wrong.

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Guys, Morozov had 50 points playing with Rico Fata, Konstantin Koltsov and Milan Kraft.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000502004.html

But of-course, he would only get 10-30 points now because he plays in terrible KHL.

Guys, I'm not suggestion he would be a star in NHL, but I do think he would be a first-line player on a good team. I don't think 70+ points is a stretch.

Look, take it from someone who has watched him play in the NHL and Russia, he's a VERY different player. He was very hesitant player in the NHL, with no self-confidence. He's a very aggressive and confident player now.

His play-making ability is another thing that has improved by a large margin.
Personally? I agree Morozov has improved as a player. But I still think around 70 points is where he tops out at. Different leagues, different styles. Certainly a first liner on most teams.

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We know, that AO kid just maturad a lot. Just a 6 mounth's of maturing and he is the man. But what about Semin?
Semin was outscored by Viktor Kozlov on the same team the year of the lockout, and was bouncing between 2 teams the next year. According to the statistics, Tolyatti Lada was a middling team and nobody on the team had over 23 points, so I assume it was a more defensive oriented team, and Mytishchi Khimik was using Semin in a lesser role.

And again, simply assuming every player will suddenly have an offensive outburst by switching leagues is wrong.

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If Malkin has apparently "added some muscle" I must see how he looked before this lol.
Very skinny.


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yeah right he was young boy when he left russia but somehow just after 3 months he just explode over the NHL . allmost same story with Malkin. you didnt get a point??
Are you really so naive that this point does work?
Really?

Ok, let's play

Evgeni Malkin
2003-04 34games 3goals 9assists 12points
2004-05 52 games 12 goals 20 assists 32 points(lockout season)
2005-06 46 games 21 goal 26 assists 47 points

So what in Malkin was a 0,3 PPG player in 2004 but just in 3 month he became 0,65 PPG player? And then in just 3 month he became a PPG player? Is this a joke really? The quality of hockey gets lower every year. Not a suprirse since Karpovtsev retired, it made difference, now without Karpovtsev aura every defenseman plays worse.

Nikolai Kulemin 2005-06
31 5 8 13
2006-07
54 27 12 39

So what in just 3 onth a 20 y.o. boy Kulemin tranformed into a best sniper in the league?

Obviously 2007 RSL was garbage and they played different hockey in 2006. Departure of Khomitsky hurt the league very seriously.

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Kevin Dallman 53 28 30 58 117 What a superstar we have here!
Freak of nature, IMHO

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There are also Jan Marek and Sergey Mozyakin ...And both wouldn't even make NHL roster.
Cough cough

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51-70 would be my bet.
I agree. I would be in that range- 60-70 pts. But I say arround 67 pts.

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I picked 51-70 points. I think that is about where guys of his talent and style are. And people who say that it is easy to score in the KHL... And that it was easy to score in the RSL... Just don't watch hockey...

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Alexei "If you hit me I will stop playing" Morozov?

probably 20-30

Guy was a floater back with the penguins
Guy is a floater playing russia
Guy would wilt after getting smashed and go back to Russa

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What talents are we talking about here?

Morozov is a weakling on the puck. He's not a good skater and can't even really be counted no to carry the puck through the neutral zone. His shot isn't particularly overpowering.. Accurate maybe, but not of high velocity. He needs others to get the puck into scoring areas, and he knows what to do once he's in the offensive zone. But he needs to be in close to score, although he's not especially willing to go to the high-traffic areas.

He's a guy that can only produce if he's playing with EXTREMELY talented linemates and/or or if he's your best option as a powerplay QB.

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He would be, give or take, a PPG player in the NHL.
Just like he was in Pittsburgh right? Morozov was awful and would be awful again if he played in the NHL again.

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Just like he was in Pittsburgh right? Morozov was awful and would be awful again if he played in the NHL again.
And yet he'll be beating the **** out of Canada in the next OG. Sorry, just had to do that

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What talents are we talking about here?

Morozov is a weakling on the puck. He's not a good skater and can't even really be counted no to carry the puck through the neutral zone. His shot isn't particularly overpowering.. Accurate maybe, but not of high velocity. He needs others to get the puck into scoring areas, and he knows what to do once he's in the offensive zone. But he needs to be in close to score, although he's not especially willing to go to the high-traffic areas.

He's a guy that can only produce if he's playing with EXTREMELY talented linemates and/or or if he's your best option as a powerplay QB.
you are good comedian dude

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He isnt very physical, so I believe that with the right players he can put up 75 points and 40 goals.

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Just like he was in Pittsburgh right? Morozov was awful and would be awful again if he played in the NHL again.
thats gonna be competition here

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