I know Weber get's PP/PK time as well, but to me Keith seems more dynamic yet, and I think he's a better skater. More intelligence to his game (excluding the horrible giveaway to the Canucks player last night, haha).
Keith for me, but 2 beauty players the both of 'em.
Here is the post I made the last time we had this poll 3 months ago
Originally Posted by Thornton_19
This is actually a tough poll for me. I am sure Weber will win the poll, but I take Keith.
Keith is one of the best defensive Dmen in the league and he has very good offensive upside. He is extremely underrated. He does not get the PP time Weber does by any stretch(Weber averages almost 2 and a half minutes more PP time a game), yet he still puts up terrific numbers.
Keith leads his team in Short handed icetime, being their best Pker, while Weber is only 5th in SH icetime on his own team's Dmen. They would throw out 4 other guys on the PK before even giving Weber a shot(I find that strange). If Weber was top 4 among his teams Dmen, I might not mind so much, but his coach does not have confidence in giving him the extra icetime or defensive duties?
The difference in Defense between Keith and Weber is larger than the difference in offense in my eyes.
Right now, Keith is on pace for 53 points and a +47, Weber on pace for 57 points and a +12.
Weber had a hot start(Which will probably endear him to win this poll for those not paying attention), but has cooled off lately.
Weber had 22 points in his first 23 games, but only 10 points in his last 23.
In the endgame, both have cooled off and I would still take Keith(But its closer IMO now). He remains the most under appreciated Dman in the NHL.
I flip flopped a lot on Weber because one minute he was playing great defense and good offense, the next great offense and lesser defense. One year he was glued to Thornton's hip in the playoffs, the next it seems like he is more interested in scoring and going for the big hit than position, etc
I think I was among the only people who voted for Suter over Weber as well.
There are a lot of smooth skating defensemen in the league: Campbell, Green, Neidermayer, etc. Beautiful strides, the lot of them. Keith doesn't quite have that silky smooth stride but he super-human endurance; he can just keep pumping his legs until he gets where he's going.
Every time there's a puck dumped into the zone, Keith turns and skates flat out, balls to the wall for it. He's pretty much the only guy in the league that can do it and it makes him almost impossible to play against.
Even with all that, the dude is springtime fresh after skating 18-23 minutes going into the second half of the third period.
Keith can do it all and be everywhere he needs without missing a beat on most nights. He doesn't have the size or shot that Weber has but he is the better all around defenseman.
Weber averages 4:23 min/game on the PP, Keith gets 2:25. Double Keith's PP time and he would make up the 8 points that currently separate the two players. Defensively they are not that comparable. For all the hits that Weber delivers it's not enough to make up for how much better Keith is in his own end.