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Andre Savard's best move?

View Poll Results: Andre Savard's best move?
Stepping aside for Bob Gainey 21 14.79%
Hiring Claude Julien 10 7.04%
Trading Linden/Zubrus for Zednik/Bulis 106 74.65%
Drafting AK Kastitsyn 3 2.11%
? Fill in the blank 2 1.41%
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03-15-2004, 08:36 PM
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Andre Savard's best move?

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zed + bulis + perezhogin for linden + zubrus

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Though his best trade has to be Zednik+Bulis+1st(Perezhogin) vs Zubrus+Linden+2nd

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Though his best trade has to be Zednik+Bulis+1st(Perezhogin) vs Zubrus+Linden+2nd

Very True.

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Easy...Linden, Zubrus and a 2nd round draft pick in 2001 Entry Draft for Richard Zednik and Jan Bulis and a 1st rounder (Perezoghtin).

All are a part of the present and future. Linden is back in vancouver and Zubrus is stuck in Washington.

Great trade.

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Easy...Linden, Zubrus and a 2nd round draft pick in 2001 Entry Draft for Richard Zednik and Jan Bulis and a 1st rounder (Perezoghtin).

All are a part of the present and future. Linden is back in vancouver and Zubrus is stuck in Washington.

Great trade.
How do I edit the poll? I forgot about Perez...

Not only did he trade for the pick, his scouting staff found a gem too.

Has AS become underappreciated??

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Savard was just awful as a G.M. He wasted millions and millions of Gillett's dollars.

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Has AS become underappreciated??
Not as a scout, but as a GM because of the Traverse, Audette, Chow trades and some "High" contract signings.

He is best at finding talent and scouting kids, his skill in that trade will always be appreciated by us Hab fans for many years to come. Just look at the farm, the Q the O and in Europe we have a lot of good youngster because of this man and Trevor Timmins.

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Not as a scout, but as a GM because of the Traverse, Audette, Chow trades and some "High" contract signings.

He is best at finding talent and scouting kids, his skill in that trade will always be appreciated by us Hab fans for many years to come. Just look at the farm, the Q the O and in Europe we have a lot of good youngster because of this man and Trevor Timmins.
I'm sure he's learned from these mistakes and will be a fine GM one day if he wants though.

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A.S. is among the best in the NHL when it comes to skill for drafting players. IMO. The Habs are in great shape to have him and his staff scouring all the rinks around the world.

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I wouldn't count Gainey's arrival as part of his accomplishments.

The Zednik trade takes the cake.

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I'm sure he's learned from these mistakes and will be a fine GM one day if he wants though.
He has the best mentor in the business to learn from, other teams will be looking at that when they look for a GM in the future.

Remember when most of the teams coaches and GM's were all coming from the Habs system is some manner...Fletcher, Caron, Savard, Riseborough, Lemaire, Robinson and sooooooo many more. I would not be surprised to see Timmins and Savard both as GM's else where one day in the league, especially Timmins who is very young and like Savard has such a great eye for talent.

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I wouldn't count Gainey's arrival as part of his accomplishments.

The Zednik trade takes the cake.
Good point, but if you believe the PR, then it was Andre who approached Gainey with the idea, but AS sure looked upset at the press conference.

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Yes, and if I remember correclty, the real story came out a few months after the management change.

Boivin told AS that he wasn't ready to lead a team on his own (or something of the sort) and that he had been in contact with BG for a few months prior to the official switch. Still, AS was real class act as he stayed in town to help the team.

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Yes, and if I remember correclty, the real story came out a few months after the management change.

Boivin told AS that he wasn't ready to lead a team on his own (or something of the sort) and that he had been in contact with BG for a few months prior to the official switch. Still, AS was real class act as he stayed in town to help the team.
You guys have it all wrong. Michel Therrien was losing with Zednik and Bulis. If Savard hadn't made the trade and Linden and Zubrus were still with the Canadiens, there's still a good chance the Habs would be in the playoffs.

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Moving the Habs from pretenders to contenders!

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The trade with Washington and letting Gainey take over as GM were two good ones.

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You guys give Savard credit for the Ottawa drafts where he was just a scout or assistant coach and not the G.M., then give him credit for the Montreal drafts where he was the G.M. and not a scout. Make up your minds who is responsible. Not that I think that Savard has been very good in either capacity for either team.

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Zednik, bulis deal no doubt.

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All 4 of these things were great, but the deadline deal for Zednik/Bulis and a draft pick takes the cake.

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You guys give Savard credit for the Ottawa drafts where he was just a scout or assistant coach and not the G.M., then give him credit for the Montreal drafts where he was the G.M. and not a scout. Make up your minds who is responsible. Not that I think that Savard has been very good in either capacity for either team.

You see it works both ways though. In Ottawa, he was a scout who was directly responsible for the hands on work, therefore he gets credit if the players selected turn out. As GM, he is responsable for putting the proper scouting staff in place, thus if prospect turn out, again he deserves credit. If in either case prospects didn't turn out, he would have explaining to do.

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You see it works both ways though. In Ottawa, he was a scout who was directly responsible for the hands on work, therefore he gets credit if the players selected turn out. As GM, he is responsable for putting the proper scouting staff in place, thus if prospect turn out, again he deserves credit. If in either case prospects didn't turn out, he would have explaining to do.
Exactly, well said

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