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04-22-2009, 09:45 PM
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London's goaltending was so bad that the Hunters brought up a guy from their junior team to replace Cann in game 4. Tavares did nothing in this series.
for all the hype tavares has gotten, he was at best the 4th best player on his own team this playoffs.

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04-22-2009, 09:50 PM
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think thats been my confusion for a while now lol. i knew he was too young to sign with the rangers and be sent down to the ahl, didnt know he could sign an ATO when his junior team was eliminated though.
The whole rule about juniors vs. AHL/ECHL eligibility is based on the junior leagues not wanting to lose their best players at age 18 when they are drafted. So players who are in the CHL at the time they are drafted must play in either the CHL or NHL until they are 20 (give or take depending on birth date).

Once the player's CHL season is over, they are free to do whatever they want, which includes playing in the AHL. But the following season, if the CHL still owns their rights, they again have to play either in the CHL or NHL.

Players who are drafted first by an NHL team, and then later play in the CHL, are free to come and go as they wish. For example, Grachev. The Rangers drafted him, and then Brampton drafted him in the CHL import draft. Since the Rangers claimed him first, Grachev can play in Hartford next year at age 19.

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04-22-2009, 10:02 PM
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London's goaltending was so bad that the Hunters brought up a guy from their junior team to replace Cann in game 4. Tavares did nothing in this series.

Cann had the flu through the first three games, he played the 2nd and 3rd games with fever and chills. They sat him because they wanted him to try and get healthy for Wednesday. Figured it was better to try and win 3 straight with a good healthy goalie, then to try and win 3 with a sick goalie that is struggling.

Tavares has been playing with a strained muscle in his shoulder since the first series.

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04-23-2009, 03:13 AM
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Alright, let's get Del Zotto to Hartford, post-haste!

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Doesn't look like HFD is getting past the first round so all of this discussion looks like is going to end up pointless..
what? because they got whooped 6-0? Because their series is tied 2-2? This team has come back from all sorts of adversity. And if MDZ is joining the team, it will for sure be an improvement over one of those two guys who ended up -5 on the night. I think MDZ would take over Fahey's job as PP specialist quite fine and his defense has improved quite a bit this season.

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04-23-2009, 05:59 AM
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"It's a terrible feeling," London defenceman Michael Del Zotto said. "I was brought here to win and we didn't get it done. We worked as hard as we could and it wasn't enough.

"I don't think there's anything to learn from it -- just work and maybe the bounces will go your way. It's the best you can hope for. When I look back on this, it'll be a feeling of disappointment. We were built to win a championship
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The Knights made the big trade with Oshawa in January so they could compete with Windsor in this series.

Del Zotto showed why he's a first rounder of the New York Rangers. Paired with John Carlson, they were two horses who were hard for the Spits to stop.

Tavares played and scored despite an injured shoulder that has lingered since Taylor Hall hit him on Feb. 6. He plans to rest it and, after the ache of overtime wears off, prepare for the NHL draft
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If he doesn't make the National Hockey League, Michael Del Zotto will be this team's leader.

"I'm as beat up emotionally as I am physically," the defenceman said. "I'm pretty tired right now.

And well he should be. He, along with John Carlson, couldn't have anything left. Their efforts were inspired.

Del Zotto will have a pretty good companion in Nazem Kadri, a kid who used this series to give the up-yours sign to those who dropped him in the rankings for the NHL draft
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The Tavares trade was never going to guarantee success. It was made to put the Knights on the same competitive level as the Spitfires.

The Knights only enhanced their reputation of being a team that does whatever it has to do to win. When it comes to attracting players, you can't underestimate what that means.

They may also wind up with Del Zotto, one of the best defencemen in the league for another year.

How could it not have been a successful trade?

Without Tavares or Del Zotto, the Knights wouldn't have had any chance against the Spitfires.

The trade almost won them a series no one thought they would win four months ago
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04-23-2009, 06:06 AM
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Brampton-Belleville tonight-Game 5

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They aren't slapping their photos on milk cartons just yet, but Belleville Bulls supporters must be wondering where the team's top forward line has gone.

The trio of team captain Eric Tangradi, centre Luke Pither and veteran winger Bryan Cameron hasn't exactly disappeared in the Ontario Hockey League's Eastern Conference final against the Brampton Battalion. But with a paltry two goals in four games, surely more was expected of a threesome that produced exactly half of Belleville's entire goal output in the previous two playoff series.

Conversely, Brampton's No. 1 unit of Cody Hodgson, Evgeny Grachev and Anthony Peluso has combined to score seven goals in four games.

The Bulls host the Battalion tonight at Yardmen Arena in Game 5 of the conference final. Opening faceoff is 7:15 p. m
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04-23-2009, 09:35 AM
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Alright, let's get Del Zotto to Hartford, post-haste!
I support this statement

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04-23-2009, 10:08 AM
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Can Carlson play in the AHL next year since he was drafted out of the USHL?

I assume so, but just wanted to check...I kind of doubt that the Caps leave him in London if they can bump him up to the AHL next year, which would leave Del Zotto with even more responsibility if he doesn't crack the Rangers roster

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Can Carlson play in the AHL next year since he was drafted out of the USHL?
I believe the exception only applies to players drafted from outside North America.

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I believe the exception only applies to players drafted from outside North America.
I think its a result of a court ruleing in like Baseball. I heard the story behind the rule a couple of years ago and have forgotten the exact details.

From a legal point of view the CHL and the NHL is cutting a deal were the kids are forced to play for free in the CHL, instead of earning money in the AHL -- only because they are 19 and not 20. I don't remember the exact details why that wasn't okey, if its some kind of illigal monopoly or discrimination because of age or something.

But the results were that it was okey to keep all juniors in a junior league; because one basically could persume that they wasn't ready, but if a kid already had played proffesional -- the same argument couldn't be made and they had to be allowed in to minor leagues. Or something remotley in that range.

Anyway, if a NA kid had for some reason played proffesional hockey, like in some C-tier league, I have a hard time seeing how that kind couldn't be allowed in the NHL.

However, I've never seen or heard any interest from teams or players to go around that rule, while I imagine it would be easy.

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04-23-2009, 01:10 PM
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C'on Grachev...I want a MONSTER game outta you tonight...3 goals!

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The reason for the junior rule is that the NHL has a vested interest in supporting the success of the CHL -- it is a very low cost developemnt system for the NHL, much like college football and basketball are in their sports.

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I believe the exception only applies to players drafted from outside North America.
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8.7 Age 18 and 19 Players.

(a) During the first two seasons next succeeding the draft of an age 18 Player, the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him.

(b) During the first season next succeeding the draft of an age 19 Player or a Player who reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, inclusive, of the year of the Entry Draft, the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him.

(c) During the seasons set forth in (a) and (b) above, the age 18 and age 19 Player, respectively, may be Loaned to the minor league team affiliate of his Club when his Junior team is no longer in competition and provided he has been listed on the Club’s minor league eligibility list.
Looking at the first bolded part, lets look at Del Zotto and Carlson. Del Zotto played for Oshawa at the time the Rangers drafted him. Therefore, the Rangers were required to offer Del Zotto to Oshawa before they could loan him to Hartford or Charlotte. Obviously, Oshawa took Del Zotto back. Oshawa then traded his rights to London.

So next year the Rangers have to offer him to London, if they do not keep him in the NHL, before they can send him to the AHL/ECHL. Obviously London will take him back in that scenario.

Carlson on the other hand did not play for London at the time Washington drafted him. Therefore, they are not obligated to offer him to London before loaning him to the AHL/ECHL.

Whether the player was drafted out of Europe or North America has no bearing. What matters is if they were playing in juniors at the time they were drafted.

The second bolded part indicates that Del Zotto can be loaned to Hartford once his junion season ends, which it did last night.

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04-23-2009, 06:27 PM
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Looking at the first bolded part, lets look at Del Zotto and Carlson. Del Zotto played for Oshawa at the time the Rangers drafted him. Therefore, the Rangers were required to offer Del Zotto to Oshawa before they could loan him to Hartford or Charlotte. Obviously, Oshawa took Del Zotto back. Oshawa then traded his rights to London.

So next year the Rangers have to offer him to London, if they do not keep him in the NHL, before they can send him to the AHL/ECHL. Obviously London will take him back in that scenario.

Carlson on the other hand did not play for London at the time Washington drafted him. Therefore, they are not obligated to offer him to London before loaning him to the AHL/ECHL.

Whether the player was drafted out of Europe or North America has no bearing. What matters is if they were playing in juniors at the time they were drafted.

The second bolded part indicates that Del Zotto can be loaned to Hartford once his junion season ends, which it did last night.
I'm not sure I agree with your anaylsis. The NHL recognizes the USHL as a North American Junior League. I used to follow the USHL pretty closely when I lived in Omaha (yes, Jed was the captain then) but I can't remember any other players in this situation.

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I'm not sure I agree with your anaylsis. The NHL recognizes the USHL as a North American Junior League. I used to follow the USHL pretty closely when I lived in Omaha (yes, Jed was the captain then) but I can't remember any other players in this situation.
If that were the case, then wouldn't his USHL team have rights to him? Since he didn't play in the USHL this season, I was say no, unless they allowed him to leave to play in the OHL. In either case, I don't think London has any rights to him and he'd be free to play in the AHL next year if Washington chose to send him there.

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Palmieri scored a minute into the Brampton-Belleville game. This kid is on fire.

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Grachev ties the game at 2 with 10 seconds left in the 2nd period!

Goal # 10 of the playoffs.


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Brampton lose in OT.

They are down 3-2...game 6 tomorrow.

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Brampton lose in OT.

They are down 3-2...game 6 tomorrow.
arent they up 3-2 in the serious? or am i mistaken?

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arent they up 3-2 in the serious? or am i mistaken?
Yeah they are. The OHL website says Belleville won to extend the series so Brampton's obviously up.

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My fault, for some reason I thought they lost the last game before tonights.

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My fault, for some reason I thought they lost the last game before tonights.
the last game before this one they were down 2-0 and came back to win it 4-2 i believe.

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I heard most of the OT's in Brampton-Belleville.Grachev had a couple of good chances on a PK early in the 2nd OT.

Eric Tangardi left the game in the first period and appears to be out for the remaining games.He cut his hand/finger.

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"It's not good," said Burnett when asked to comment on the severity of Tangradi's injury. "He will see a specialist (today). We're not sure if surgery will be required or not but it's not good."
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If that were the case, then wouldn't his USHL team have rights to him? Since he didn't play in the USHL this season, I was say no, unless they allowed him to leave to play in the OHL. In either case, I don't think London has any rights to him and he'd be free to play in the AHL next year if Washington chose to send him there.
Perhaps. I don't know the fine detail of this rule. What may be more important though is what kind of deal Carlson and The Caps made to get him into London. I suspect that there's a gentleman's agreement on what the course of action will be next year. Hunter is a Caps icon and he and McPhee are supposedly close.

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