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04-03-2009, 11:26 AM
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This law will work as it's intended to by some degree but in the big scheme of things; it's toothless.

UPS? Fed Ex? Shipping options anyone? What is the government going to do. Scan all mail and parcells?
THE POINT IS TO INSURE THEY PROVIDE IT, IF AVAILABLE. NOT INFORCE IT. COOOME OOOOON. they will be copies of french AND english if french is available= it will not "replace" all the english versions

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Oh look, here comes the french guy playing the self righteous victim card. Poor me, perfidious albion oppressing the french language.

In case you are unable to comprehend how things work or maybe live in some bubble in bas st-laurent that hasnt changed in 50 years, maybe you'd realize that English people are a small minority here and just want to be left alone, while the majority french government continues to restrict their liberty even when found by the supreme court to be violating anglos human rights.

The law does not prevent french people from living in their language, but the overwhelming appartus of government is geared towards restricting the same in english speakers (along with chinese, indian, arabic, etc.). To come here, bashing english people and playing the french victim card is the height of hypocracy and ignorance.
??? You can still buy video games in english. Read the article instead of also playing the victim.

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see we didnt sign the constitution
You're talking about the Charter (Constitution from 1982), since the Constitution from 1867 WAS signed by Québec. And that's where the 2 languages come from.

And your point is non-valid, since it's still applicable to Québec.

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THE POINT IS TO INSURE THEY PROVIDE IT, IF AVAILABLE. NOT INFORCE IT. COOOME OOOOON
I did say "This law will work as it's intended to by some degree" - you, COOOME OOOOON

Geez

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That Charter has no real value in the fact it can say French is the only official language in Québec.

See, the Canadian constitution says there are 2 official languages.

And if you didn't know that the Constitution >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charter of French language, now you know.

Oh, and don't forget the fact the Canadian Charter of Freedoms and Rights protects the English language in Québec also.

That text can say anything, it does not make it true.
Uhhh... no French became the official language with law 22... The Charter came after. The constitution has nothing to do with it.

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Wouldn't banning smoking be more productive?

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Uhhh... no French became the official language with law 22... The Charter came after. The constitution has nothing to do with it.
Let me explain it simpler...

The Constitution says something (that there are 2 official languages).

No Law can make that statement false. The Constitution is the Supreme law in ALL of Canada, even Québec.

Thus, Québec could pile up laws that says the Constitution does not apply, they would all become unapplicable or illegal.

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You're talking about the Charter (Constitution from 1982), since the Constitution from 1867 WAS signed by Québec. And that's where the 2 languages come from.

And your point is non-valid, since it's still applicable to Québec.
Hum... I'm sorry but the 1867 Constitution is not valid anymore... hum...

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You're talking about the Charter (Constitution from 1982), since the Constitution from 1867 WAS signed by Québec. And that's where the 2 languages come from.

And your point is non-valid, since it's still applicable to Québec.
ok so you REALLY think there is 2 official languages BY LAW in quebec...?! please make a couple phone calls and get back to us my friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter...#Legal_dispute (I dont know what it actually means anyway...)

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Let me explain it simpler...

The Constitution says something (that there are 2 official languages).

No Law can make that statement false. The Constitution is the Supreme law in ALL of Canada, even Québec.

Thus, Québec could pile up laws that says the Constitution does not apply, they would all become unapplicable or illegal.
Those laws ARE applicable until the Supreme court says otherwise.

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This law will work as it's intended to by some degree but in the big scheme of things; it's toothless.

UPS? Fed Ex? Shipping options anyone? What is the government going to do. Scan all mail and parcells?
Exactly, all it does is pile on costs for the few game retailers that still exist (haven't been wiped out by internet retailers).

A guy who worked in video game retail already explained int his thread how they operate on razor thin profit margins for video games. Adding more shipping, inventory and labour costs for mandatory imported france versions will just put guys like Gamebuzz and EBGames underwater.

They will close, and a few hundred more people are now unemployed during a recession. Way to go Quebec!!

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ok so you REALLY think there is 2 official languages BY LAW in quebec...?! please make a couple phone calls and get back to us my friend.
Yes.

And be careful about what you say. I'm actually a law student. That's studying Civil law (thus, the applicable law in Québec).

I think I know what I'm talking about.

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Exactly, all it does is pile on costs for the few game retailers that still exist (haven't been wiped out by internet retailers).

A guy who worked in video game retail already explained int his thread how they operate on razor thin profit margins for video games. Adding more shipping, inventory and labour costs for mandatory imported france versions will just put guys like Gamebuzz and EBGames underwater.

They will close, and a few hundred more people are now unemployed during a recession. Way to go Quebec!!
talk about exagerating true, its all bureaucratic and symbolic with only costs as result. but still, jobs lost? come on

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As a side note, didn't the PQ use the not-with-standing clause in the 80s for their laws? (Obviously that portion wasn't renewed every 5 years...or was it?)

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Let me explain it simpler...

The Constitution says something (that there are 2 official languages).

No Law can make that statement false. The Constitution is the Supreme law in ALL of Canada, even Québec.

Thus, Québec could pile up laws that says the Constitution does not apply, they would all become unapplicable or illegal.


Loi sur la langue officielle, 1974

(Projet de loi no 22)

1974 L.Q. CHAPITRE 6 Loi sur la langue officielle

[Sanctionnée le 31 juillet 1974].

Mod Edit: That was way too much information to be copied and pasted into a post. There is no problem with providing the information, just provide a web link to the website next time.


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I guess, France, Belgium, African countries etc. would not be too happy.
My guess is that the gamer market is not that advanced in French speaking Africa. In terms of France and Belgium (and parts of SE Asia) I'm not sure that the media would work in NA gaming consoles.

My point is that any legislation that puts additional requirements on business that can be easily sidestepped, generally become self-fulfilling prophecies.

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this thread just suck, peu importe qui a raison...its meaningless. people speaking english will continue. french people will continue speaking it. you will be able to buy french or english versions of games. go on people

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Slick Nick, as I said, this law proves nothing.

For example, EVERY LAW that the Québec governments makes, it has to be written in both the English and French language.

They can make a rule like this, but it doesn't change anything.

Law 101 was struck down. They used the override clause, but they finally changed to make it legal by Constitution standards.

You can put that law on here, I can bring up the Constitution. Doesn't make any difference.

Oh and P.S. This only applies to the public adminsitration. Not the Province of Québec.

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You're talking about the Charter (Constitution from 1982), since the Constitution from 1867 WAS signed by Québec. And that's where the 2 languages come from.

And your point is non-valid, since it's still applicable to Québec.
Quebec has used the "notwithstanding clause" in areas where the surpreme court of canada has ruled that law 101 was illegal in the way it is in violation of human rights laws in canadian constitution.

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More like: Quebec law promotes anti-anglo prejudice rofl

But hey, what else is new. Don't get pulled over being an anglo either

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Exactly, all it does is pile on costs for the few game retailers that still exist (haven't been wiped out by internet retailers).

A guy who worked in video game retail already explained int his thread how they operate on razor thin profit margins for video games. Adding more shipping, inventory and labour costs for mandatory imported france versions will just put guys like Gamebuzz and EBGames underwater.

They will close, and a few hundred more people are now unemployed during a recession. Way to go Quebec!!
I'll repeat my question. So basicly, a store could order ONE game in french and since like you said no one will buy it, it will make the difference that will cause the closing the store ? That make sense, but these store run on a hell of a thin profit margin.

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this thread just suck, peu importe qui a raison...its meaningless. people speaking english will continue. french people will continue speaking it. you will be able to buy french or english versions of games. go on people
Oh come on, don't spoil our fun!

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it's just sooo useless...makes me want to separate just to stop the fighting....

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Quebec has used the "notwithstanding clause" in areas where the surpreme court of canada has ruled that law 101 was illegal in the way it is in violation of human rights laws in canadian constitution.
They changed the law a little while after.

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My guess is that the gamer market is not that advanced in French speaking Africa. In terms of France and Belgium (and parts of SE Asia) I'm not sure that the media would work in NA gaming consoles.
Then my guess would be that changing the format from european to north-american one cost nothing. In fact, some software does it for my movies I bought in Europe.

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My point is that any legislation that puts additional requirements on business that can be easily sidestepped, generally become self-fulfilling prophecies.
Maybe, but my point is : it's a non-issue with no effect on the business and it will probably offer more game in french for those whinners french canadiens who doesn't speak english.

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