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04-04-2009, 09:29 AM
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Franzen is signing with the Wings IMO.
I'm putting my money on that too, though it would be interesting to see him with the Pens.

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I'v liked this guy since last years playoffs he's got alot of tools, imo he's worth 5.5 but will sign for less to stay in Det. Id love to see him in blue and white next season though.

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04-04-2009, 01:56 PM
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I would kill for this to be the Leafs team next year...


Cammalleri - Franzen - Tlusty

Kulemin - Grabovski - Hagman

Hanson - Bozak - Blake

Mayers - Mitchell - May


Kaberle - White

Schenn - Gilroy

Finger - Oreskovic


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when you look at some of the other centres out there and their salaries frazen is still a steal at 6 million

gomez-7mill, horcoff 5.5mill....

if he takes anything under 5mill he is taking a huge discount iMO

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when you look at some of the other centres out there and their salaries frazen is still a steal at 6 million

gomez-7mill, horcoff 5.5mill....

if he takes anything under 5mill he is taking a huge discount iMO
You can't base his value on a few grossly overpaid players. The Rangers have a bunch of people not earning their pay cheques. If every D man playing better than Wade Redden had to be paid like him the league would go broke

JF had 38 points last year and will barely make 60 points this year. He is a valuable guy but not an established star. I could see between 5.0 and 5.5 million as an FA and more like 4-4.5 million as a Wing.

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04-04-2009, 09:51 PM
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He'll sign with the wings but if not I expect the habs to be one of the bidders. Lots of cap space and he would really fill a need.

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Franzen isn't going anywhere.

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JF had 38 points last year and will barely make 60 points this year. He is a valuable guy but not an established star. I could see between 5.0 and 5.5 million as an FA and more like 4-4.5 million as a Wing.
This guy is as clutch as they get though. 8 GWGs first on the wings. And this kid shows up when it matters. He single handedly beat the AVs in the playoffs last year. And id rather have the 40+ goal scorer than the kid with 70+ points but only 20 are goals.

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04-05-2009, 09:22 AM
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i think he and his agent are going to command 5+.
"Command?"

They'll certainly ask for $5 million-plus, but good luck getting it.

Franzenstein is a good player, but not elite, and non-elite guys don't get -- or deserve -- $5 million-plus.

82 goals in 287 games over four seasons are not $5 million production figures...

I'll go out on a limb and make this prediction right here, right now... if Franzen goes anywhere but back to Detroit, he never gets within shouting distance of 30 goals again. And at 29 years old, he only has so many years of productive time left, given his power-forward playing style and his history of nagging injuries.

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The Rangers will give him 7 million for 7 years

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I'll go out on a limb and make this prediction right here, right now... if Franzen goes anywhere but back to Detroit, he never gets within shouting distance of 30 goals again. And at 29 years old, he only has so many years of productive time left, given his power-forward playing style and his history of nagging injuries.
This is definitely sour grapes, because you can't be watching Franzen's game. He does not have a "power-forward playing style" at all. He's a finesse player in a large body. He'll drive the net and screen but he doesn't really hit or play overly physical in the corners. He's just a sniper in a big body. Considering most of his goals are off individual efforts or rebounds, things which translate to any playstyle, I doubt he'll drop off the map like you seem to predict. His scoring binge last season and in the playoffs wasn't with elite players like Datsyuk or Zetterberg on his line. He scored those goals with Filppula and Samuelsson, not exactly a couple guys you'd call "elite" and are definitely not in the upper tier at their position. He may not hit 30 goals, but he'll be a consistent 25-28 goal guy at worse for the next several seasons with a knack for scoring clutch goals. Unless that's what you consider outside of "shouting distance" of 30 goals then you are very mistaken.

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I would kill for this to be the Leafs team next year...


Cammalleri - Franzen - Tlusty

Kulemin - Grabovski - Hagman

Hanson - Bozak - Blake

Mayers - Mitchell - May


Kaberle - White

Schenn - Gilroy

Finger - Oreskovic


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Way to go, you made Jason Blake cry.

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The latest on Franzen is that he'd get a deal similar in structure to Zetterberg. Long term, with the final 2 years low-balled to reduce the cap hit. Although, I doubt it'll be another 12 year deal.

So, just to throw out numbers...

6 years / $21 million

5 / 4.5 / 4.5 / 4 / 2 / 1 = 3.5 cap hit
While a contract of this type would be within the rules, the NHL needs to address this type of cap circumvention.

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While a contract of this type would be within the rules, the NHL needs to address this type of cap circumvention.
but we must take advantage before the nhl stops it!

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i think he and he's agent are going to command 5+.


Not in Detroit then.

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04-06-2009, 03:52 PM
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While a contract of this type would be within the rules, the NHL needs to address this type of cap circumvention.
It's not circumvention and I don't see how you can even think it is. The team gets a discount on the cap at the front of the contract, but at the end they are paying a huge cap hit for a minimal salary. How is that circumvention? The total dollars spent equal the total cap dollars counted over the entire contract.

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It's not circumvention and I don't see how you can even think it is. The team gets a discount on the cap at the front of the contract, but at the end they are paying a huge cap hit for a minimal salary. How is that circumvention? The total dollars spent equal the total cap dollars counted over the entire contract.
If the contract is signed before a player is 35, and runs into years where he's very likely to retire, it's circumvention. Otherwise, you're right.

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"Command?"

They'll certainly ask for $5 million-plus, but good luck getting it.

Franzenstein is a good player, but not elite, and non-elite guys don't get -- or deserve -- $5 million-plus.

82 goals in 287 games over four seasons are not $5 million production figures...

I'll go out on a limb and make this prediction right here, right now... if Franzen goes anywhere but back to Detroit, he never gets within shouting distance of 30 goals again. And at 29 years old, he only has so many years of productive time left, given his power-forward playing style and his history of nagging injuries.

P_B

Just so you know, Franzen is probably the softest 6-3 player in the league. Although he is totally capable of beating some a** (see Malkin in the SCF) he is much more a finesse playing sniper than a power forward. Now if somehow he could pull a Shanny and be able to master both at the same time...

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Just so you know, Franzen is probably the softest 6-3 player in the league. Although he is totally capable of beating some a** (see Malkin in the SCF) he is much more a finesse playing sniper than a power forward. Now if somehow he could pull a Shanny and be able to master both at the same time...
He may not throw hi-lite real hits but he is by no means soft. Franzen plays hard in the corners and in front of the net and does not shy away from contact.

Not soft at all IMO.

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It's not circumvention and I don't see how you can even think it is. The team gets a discount on the cap at the front of the contract, but at the end they are paying a huge cap hit for a minimal salary. How is that circumvention? The total dollars spent equal the total cap dollars counted over the entire contract.
You're only right if the player plays out the full term of the contract. If the player signs the deal when he is under age 35, then retires before the contract is over, the cap hit is gone as soon as the player retires. That's why it's cap circumvention.

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He may not throw hi-lite real hits but he is by no means soft. Franzen plays hard in the corners and in front of the net and does not shy away from contact.

Not soft at all IMO.
Yeah, people confuse hitting with toughness too often. I would never call Franzen soft.

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Yeah, people confuse hitting with toughness too often. I would never call Franzen soft.
Which I didn't.

I have news for all the Detroit fans here, and everywhere... every guy that plays for the Red Wings is not the greatest thing that ever laced on skates.

As I said, if Franzen goes anywhere but Detroit, he never gets close to 30 goals again.

He stays in Detroit, with the best team (and most favorable officiating) money can buy, he'll get 30 again.

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the notion of franzen being soft really isnt valid imo (except for how often he seems to get hurt? seems to miss 10-15 games each year, which isnt bad as long as he is healthy during playoff time). Franzen is pulling off over 90 hits this year, which is a decent number imo, especially playing on detriot, which is generally considered one of the more finesse structured teams in the west. Due to his body size, even if he is a sniper at heart, he is gonna play like a PWF. He is strong enough to stand in front of the net and does it very well imo.

Even though i wouldnt call him soft, i dont think calling him gritty would apply here either. He has a good balance imo. Willing to go the corners, he gets to the net, combined with some shooting skill is very solid package. However his stats are inflated playing for Detroit. The Wings are maybe the best franchise in the NHL (management wise), and have such amazing talent it is just insane watching them. They play a structured game with a ton of offensive skill which most teams in NHL cannot match. Playing with other teams Franzen would still get over 20g, but not the 40 he could get in the motor city on the wing of Henrik or Datsyuk. Signing for 3.5-4m over 4-5 years would b great for him in hockeytown usa (5-5-4-3-1?).

And I dont think the Red Wings should resign Hossa. They just dont need him, getting a better goalie (not an allstar, just someone who is consistant) should b their short term priority until their prospects improve, not to mention the cap constaint they will be under with his 7M contract.

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He stays in Detroit, with the best team (and most favorable officiating) money can buy, he'll get 30 again.

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Anybody ever tell you that you represent the Mods of this site well?

****, the guy's a Maple Leaf fan and yer gonna toss that cheap shot?

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Which I didn't.

I have news for all the Detroit fans here, and everywhere... every guy that plays for the Red Wings is not the greatest thing that ever laced on skates.

As I said, if Franzen goes anywhere but Detroit, he never gets close to 30 goals again.

He stays in Detroit, with the best team (and most favorable officiating) money can buy, he'll get 30 again.

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Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, right?

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=623815

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Leafs fan? If his name wasn't a giveaway his Roman Polak avatar probably should have been that he's a Blues fan.

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