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Pick one for your team: Thornton or Kovalchuk

View Poll Results: Pick one for your team: Thornton or Kovalchuk
Joe Thornton 84 44.44%
Ilya Kovalchuk 105 55.56%
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04-03-2009, 06:15 PM
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Pick one for your team: Thornton or Kovalchuk

You get to insert one of these elite players into your lineup. Which one and why?

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For me it's a straight toss-up, but with my bias I choose Thornton.

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04-03-2009, 06:19 PM
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Pretty easy as a Penguins fan.

But for a team who is lacking at center depth, say Columbus for example, Big Joe is the easy choice. All this poll is going to show is what teams need a big time winger, and which need a big time center.

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Pretty easy as a Penguins fan.

But for a team who is lacking at center depth, say Columbus for example, Big Joe is the easy choice. All this poll is going to show is what teams need a big time winger, and which need a big time center.
True, but I think it's a closer comparison than Richards vs. Kovi.

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I would love either in Montreal but a big talented center has been the team's main need for many years now so gotta go with Jumbo Joe.

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I'm committing blasphemy here, but give me Kovalchuk. If he can put up 90 points on an Atlanta team where he's centered by Little (who I'm not bashing at all) imagine what he could do with Marleau on his line as well as Setoguchi/Clowe. I'm going to maintain my belief that Kovy is a top 4/5 player in the league, he's just not on a team that has players that can maximize his skillset.

Crosby and Malkin have each other, Ovy has Green, Backstrom and Semin. Datsyuk has Hank and Hossa. You would have to believe that if Kovy had a top tier player on his line (such as Marleau) he would constantly challenge if not win the Rocket Richard trophy year in and year out.

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I'm committing blasphemy here, but give me Kovalchuk. If he can put up 90 points on an Atlanta team where he's centered by Little (who I'm not bashing at all) imagine what he could do with Marleau on his line as well as Setoguchi/Clowe. I'm going to maintain my belief that Kovy is a top 4/5 player in the league, he's just not on a team that has players that can maximize his skillset.

Crosby and Malkin have each other, Ovy has Green, Backstrom and Semin. Datsyuk has Hank and Hossa. You would have to believe that if Kovy had a top tier player on his line (such as Marleau) he would constantly challenge if not win the Rocket Richard trophy year in and year out.
He had Marc Savard and Marian Hossa. The way Kovalchuk plays, I don't think another top tier player playing with him is going to dramatically affect his numbers positively. I think it would do the opposite because it would be someone else handling the puck and he's more of a guy that gets the puck and does it himself.

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Crosby and Malkin have each other...
But can you imagine Kovalchuk on a power play with those two and Gonchar? We are talking 50-50 seasons easy.

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Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Hossa

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Kovalchuk can score 40 goals with traffic cones as linemates, but Thornton could turn both of those traffic cones into 25 goal scorers and pot 25 more himself.

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Kovalchuk can score 40 goals with traffic cones as linemates, but Thornton could turn both of those traffic cones into 25 goal scorers and pot 25 more himself.
I'm willing to bet that if you cloned Alexei Semenov (god forbid) and put the two on a line with Kovalchuk and on a line with Thornton, Kovy would end up getting more points. I personally enjoy players that can make something out of nothing (i.e. Kovalchuk, Ovechkin) than players who have to mainly rely on others to finish the play (thornton, h. sedin). I love Jumbo and I'm not bashing him in any way, but you're entitled to your opinion, as am I, and that's fine with me.

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As a Flyers fan, it is easily Kovalchuk because of center depth. But I'd even be inclined to take Kovy even if it weren't for that factor.

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Kovalchuk, easily.

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Tough choice for a Caps fan. I guess I'd take Joe, since the Caps do have better depth on the wing than they do at C, and Fedorov can always be shifted to wing. Plus if Feds gets hurt the Caps are otherwise stuck with Laich or Nylander at 2C.

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picked joltin joe but already regret it

both are so good..be happy with either

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Ilya just for age. Thornton is on his down side and he would be looking silly in the 3rd center role.

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Ilya just for age. Thornton is on his down side and he would be looking silly in the 3rd center role.


He's 29.

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Kovalchuk.

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thornton is exactly what the sabres need right now. I would love kovy, but I think thornton would be a better fit.

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Tough choice for a Caps fan. I guess I'd take Joe, since the Caps do have better depth on the wing than they do at C, and Fedorov can always be shifted to wing. Plus if Feds gets hurt the Caps are otherwise stuck with Laich or Nylander at 2C.
Thornton and AO together is just flat out unfair. No offense to Backstrom.

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I'm willing to bet that if you cloned Alexei Semenov (god forbid) and put the two on a line with Kovalchuk and on a line with Thornton, Kovy would end up getting more points. I personally enjoy players that can make something out of nothing (i.e. Kovalchuk, Ovechkin) than players who have to mainly rely on others to finish the play (thornton, h. sedin). I love Jumbo and I'm not bashing him in any way, but you're entitled to your opinion, as am I, and that's fine with me.
Strange. Thornton is a guy who makes average/Below average players look great while putting up huge point totals no matter who his linemates are. He never "Relies on others to finish" in the manner implied. He usually creates goals from impossible situations. All his linemates really have to do is wait and put their sticks on the ice.

Glen Murray who could never hit 30 goals without Thornton, Cheechoo who likewise could not hit 30 goals without Thornton, etc

Hell, Thornton had 96 points last year when his nearest teammate had 55

In fact, just about everyone who ever plays with Joe suddenly has a big career year, and whichever team he goes to gets better. San jose was on a massive losing streak because they could not adjust to the new no clutch and grab NHL whatsoever(A big reason for their success pre-Lockout), and were 2nd last in the league. Thornton arrived and carried them from 2nd last to 5th in the west.

Kovalchuk in his best year had Savard and Hossa(Both better than Thornton's linemates over his career), and both of those players are capable of putting up the same offense as Kovalchuk alone or with him and Kovalchuk did not light the world on fire.

Factor in the fact that Joe is better defensively and its pretty easy.

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Yeah, it's close. Thornton I think is more of a "rock", the guy solidifies a whole friggin team.

Talking about the current situation, it's great that Thornton is surrounded with so many good players. He doesn't have to carry the team. Which in turn lets to him do what he does- create. Kovalchuk, we've never seen on a really good contending team.


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Kovalchuk. The Rangers need a true bonafide goal scorer. I can only think of 3 players I'd rather have right now over Kovalchuk.

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