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04-06-2009, 04:21 PM
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Karlsson will be better than Kaberle. Not an even proposal.

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Karlsson will be better than Kaberle. Not an even proposal.

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Karlsson will be better than Kaberle. Not an even proposal.
Just like Meszaros?

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Karlsson will be better than Kaberle. Not an even proposal.
That's bold. I do hope Karlsson turns out to be as good as Kaberle (or better; yay!) but to say, hands down, that he'll be better is a strong statement.


On a semi-related note, the OP's trade is god awful from an Ottawa perspective. Its rationale that Ottawa needs a PP QB-ing D man is not a strong enough rationale for Ottawa to fork over their first (~8th overall) and their top prospect.

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04-06-2009, 04:35 PM
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It's no sure thing, but Karlsson likely will be as good as Kaberle, if not better (he's already toguher).

And it's really not an even trade. A top tier prospect and high first round pick? Not to mention Kaberle is already 31.

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04-06-2009, 04:37 PM
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Karlsson will be better than Kaberle. Not an even proposal.
... This is exactly what i said about fans falling in love with their prospects, Seriously though, Can you tell me what Karlsson has proven to be even mentioned becoming better than Kaberle?

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It's no sure thing, but Karlsson likely will be as good as Kaberle, if not better (he's already toguher).
I'm not trying to run down Karlsson, he looked great at the WJ's, but you're setting yourself up to be disappointed.

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04-06-2009, 04:43 PM
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This poster does not represent us Sens fans

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04-06-2009, 05:11 PM
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... This is exactly what i said about fans falling in love with their prospects, Seriously though, Can you tell me what Karlsson has proven to be even mentioned becoming better than Kaberle?

It's true, many Ottawa fans do overvalue Karlsson slightly but he's our top prospect and Murray was able to snag him when a lot of GM's (coincidentally, rumour had it that Burke wanted him and that's why Murray traded up) didn't know about him. It really is no different than a poster proposing a trade with a similar rationale for Toronto (don't have a valid first line player) and then offer someone good but older to fill that role in exchange for Schenn* and your first (which will probably be right before or right after Ottawa).

While you may argue that the Leafs are in a full blown rebuild and that they would never do this, Ottawa cannot afford to mortgage key future pieces as well. I think the best way to put this in perspective is to look at Philly and the rumoured trade proposal involving Carter and Kaberle (coincidence #2!). If Philly makes that, they're definitely not where they are now. While Philly's comeback was shockingly fast (and a little bit lucky with trades), Ottawa's looking to bounce back next season as well and in time, there's a chance that people liken this proposed deal (if there was some actual evidence to this one as there was with the Carter one) to the one with Carter.

* Also, if Ottawa fans are in love with Karlsson, can't deny the same for Toronto fans and Schenn.

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* Also, if Ottawa fans are in love with Karlsson, can't deny the same for Toronto fans and Schenn.
Good post, but I think there's a difference between hyping a prospect who most fans have only seen at the WJ's, and one who we've been watching play in the NHL all year. There's lots of people who overrate Stefanovich, Didomenico, and Stalberg in the same way though, so I get your main point.

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Good post, but I think there's a difference between hyping a prospect who most fans have only seen at the WJ's, and one who we've been watching play in the NHL all year. There's lots of people who overrate Stefanovich, Didomenico, and Stalberg in the same way though, so I get your main point.
Agreed.

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04-07-2009, 11:24 AM
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This doesn't make much sense. Kaberle is much, much more valuable than either Phillips or Volchenkov, and is signed to a bargain contract.
If you were to offer Kaberle for Volchenkov, I'd say no without thinking twice. Kabby isn't the only one on a bargain contract. A-train is making 2.5.

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04-07-2009, 01:48 PM
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Schenn + 2009 1st
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The first proposal is not horrible by any means, maybe it would work for other teams, but it's not worth it for Ottawa to give up Karlsson and a top ten pick of this year's draft unless it's someone like Bouwmeester(signed) coming back.

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Good post, but I think there's a difference between hyping a prospect who most fans have only seen at the WJ's, and one who we've been watching play in the NHL all year. There's lots of people who overrate Stefanovich, Didomenico, and Stalberg in the same way though, so I get your main point.
Many of us have been watching him play in the SEL in the playoffs and he was one of Frolunda's best players. His abilities with the puck are undeniable and if he were placed on Ottawa today, he would have a definite impact on our PP and make our first unit downright deadly.

You can't draw direct comparisons between Schenn who is able to play in the NHL and Karlsson who is essentially only held back by his size at this point. Bryan Murray has said though, that size is the only thing that's keeping Erik out of the NHL right now. He has all of the speed, skills with the puck, and he is willing to throw the body enough to be an effective player. That's why most Sens fans do not want to entertain the notion of trading him. If we're patient with him and he adds a bit of a muscle in the next year, he could be hugely successful for our team and could add a lot of balance to the lineup.

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04-09-2009, 05:09 AM
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Kaberle is a good player..

BUT MAN!!! Does he fluke sometimes..

I am probably the only in here who thinks this.. But I think he lacks consistency !!

As a Danish Sens fan... I would LOOOVE to see Regin on the Roster next year..

Now, he is doing GREAT in BINGO, but im not sure he can transfer it to the NHL..

He needs to bulk up...

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04-09-2009, 07:12 AM
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I'll suggest...

1st in 09 + one of Volchenkov/Foligno

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I wouldn't trade A-Train straight up for Kaberle, nevermind adding a top 10 pick.

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I wouldn't trade A-Train straight up for Kaberle, nevermind adding a top 10 pick.
Really? Volchenkov is #3 dman, Kaberle is #1 dman. Volchenkov is UFA after next year, Kaberle has 2 more years left at 4.25, which is a bargain for a #1 dman.

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Really? Volchenkov is #3 dman, Kaberle is #1 dman. Volchenkov is UFA after next year, Kaberle has 2 more years left at 4.25, which is a bargain for a #1 dman.
Volchenkov, if paired with another dman with mobility and a great pass, would be on our top unit. I see him as more of a #2 than a #3. I also don't think Kaberle is a dman you build your defense around. He's also a number 2.

This is not a knock on Kabby at all. In fact, I really like him and think he definitely is a bargain at 4.25. I just wouldn't trade Volchenkov for him who is also a bargain at 2.5. In the long run, we have a soft defense and if we can lock A-train up, he'd fit perfectly with Karlsson, Lee, etc.

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A top 10 pick + our best prospect?

No thanks. Kaberle is a good player, but he hasn't been very good this year, and I don't see him as a great #1 defenseman either. He's an awesome #2 though.

I don't think a team would trade a top 10 pick straight up for Kaberle this year, let alone adding a guy like Karlsson to the deal.

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The only realistic part of this thread is Burke trading TO's second, he hates second rounders.
When did he say or why did he say he hates second rounders?

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i like the trade. just do it burke

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