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Patrick O'Sullivan
3rd '09 (Philadelphia's, from Pitkanen Deal)
To EDM:
James VanRiemsdyk
----TRADE 2----
To ATL:
1st '09
Andrew Cogliano
To EDM:
1st '09 (Magnus Svensson)
----TRADE 3----
To DAL:
Tom Gilbert
To EDM:
1st '09
Colton Sceviour
O'Sullivan for JVR......not happening. JVR will only get dealt for a goaltender.
Gilbert for Dallas 1st is also not happening. That pick is likely top 10 and Gilbert in nowhere near worth that.
Cogliano and 1st for a top 5 pick is alright by why does Edmonton do this? Cogliano has looked great this season and he coupled with Gagner give the Oil a gret one-two punch. The Oilers could be drafting anywhere from 10-14 which will give them a very good prospect.
O'Sullivan for JVR......not happening. JVR will only get dealt for a goaltender.
Gilbert for Dallas 1st is also not happening. That pick is likely top 10 and Gilbert in nowhere near worth that.
Cogliano and 1st for a top 5 pick is alright by why does Edmonton do this? Cogliano has looked great this season and he coupled with Gagner give the Oil a gret one-two punch. The Oilers could be drafting anywhere from 10-14 which will give them a very good prospect.
With the first one, Philadelphia has no reason to do this. O'Sullivan is Joffrey Lupul v2.0, overpaid and doesn't produce. We're talking about the 2nd overall pick, who won't be dealt for anything but a goalie or top pairing defenseman.
Patrick O'Sullivan
3rd '09 (Philadelphia's, from Pitkanen Deal)
To EDM:
James VanRiemsdyk
I'm only going to comment on this one because I'm a Flyers fan and I couldn't actually believe if when I saw it. I've seen a bunch of stupid one sided trades for JVR in the past but this one takes the cake.
So let me get this straight, you want a future first line winger for a wing that would be our 6th best wing and a 3rd??? Are you on drugs??? Pat has 42 points this year, Gagne has 33g 39a 72 pts, Hartnell - 30,30,60, Lupul - 23,25,48, Knuble - 26,20,46, plus we are so deep at forward that we've had to move Briere to wing and he's certainly better than Patrick.
I'll tell you what, lets change O'Sullivan to Eberle and JVR to Lupul and call it even. That's about the same for being lopsided as your proposal. Lupul may be better than Eberle right now but in 2-3 years they won't even be close, that's the same with Patrick and JVR. O'Sullivan would ONLY break our top 6 if we got rid of 3 wings (and one would be JVR in your proposal). O'Sullivan will NEVER develope enough to challenge a guy like Gagne for the top wing spot on the team whereas JVR will likely do just that in 3-4 years.
Again, if you actually think that Patrick and a 3rd is fair market value for JVR then you should gladly accept Jeoffry Lupul for Eberle because it's about the same trade but in reverse. Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it. That's how people who DON'T have their heads up their butts see it.
I'm only going to comment on this one because I'm a Flyers fan and I couldn't actually believe if when I saw it. I've seen a bunch of stupid one sided trades for JVR in the past but this one takes the cake.
So let me get this straight, you want a future first line winger for a wing that would be our 6th best wing and a 3rd??? Are you on drugs??? Pat has 42 points this year, Gagne has 33g 39a 72 pts, Hartnell - 30,30,60, Lupul - 23,25,48, Knuble - 26,20,46, plus we are so deep at forward that we've had to move Briere to wing and he's certainly better than Patrick.
I'll tell you what, lets change O'Sullivan to Eberle and JVR to Lupul and call it even. That's about the same for being lopsided as your proposal. Lupul may be better than Eberle right now but in 2-3 years they won't even be close, that's the same with Patrick and JVR. O'Sullivan would ONLY break our top 6 if we got rid of 3 wings (and one would be JVR in your proposal). O'Sullivan will NEVER develope enough to challenge a guy like Gagne for the top wing spot on the team whereas JVR will likely do just that in 3-4 years.
Again, if you actually think that Patrick and a 3rd is fair market value for JVR then you should gladly accept Jeoffry Lupul for Eberle because it's about the same trade but in reverse. Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it. That's how people who DON'T have their heads up their butts see it.
Hockey's Future, etc., and so forth...
You realize players will put up a different number of points on different teams, right?
It looks like someone is taking the Trade Proposal board a little too seriously. You don't like the idea. Fine, we get it. But cut out the dramatics and the insults.
With the first one, Philadelphia has no reason to do this. O'Sullivan is Joffrey Lupul v2.0, overpaid and doesn't produce. We're talking about the 2nd overall pick, who won't be dealt for anything but a goalie or top pairing defenseman.
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Originally Posted by Mohaj
its only worse if you're a philly fan.
So you think that Philly FANS don't know what they are talking about because we shouldn't balk at taking on an underachieving center in Schremp when we already have Carter, Richards, Briere and Giroux fighting for playing time at center now??? And sorry, DesLauriers ISN'T and "elite" goalie prospect worthy of trading an elite talent like JVR to get. Nice try though, I guess fans who don't know the other teams wants and needs nor their current roster really should refrain from calling, or in this case INFERRING, the fans of said team "clueless".
Any JVR trade would have to address their needs out back. At this point the best Oilers could offer that Flyers would even consider would be something like Gilbert + Chorney + Eberle for JVR + Lupul.
With the first one, Philadelphia has no reason to do this. O'Sullivan is Joffrey Lupul v2.0, overpaid and doesn't produce. We're talking about the 2nd overall pick, who won't be dealt for anything but a goalie or top pairing defenseman.
a 2nd overall pick that had a completely average year and has never even seen AHL ice let alone NHL ice. Patrick O'Sullivan + 3rd 09 >>>>>>>>>>> JVR by a wide margin. Sully's actually played NHL games for starters, has had a couple of good seasons to add to that. JVR is paraded around like he's some sort of messenger from the hockey gods or something. absolutely ridiculous.
but so is the trade. Do you honestly think Philly needs more forwards, let alone centres?
a 2nd overall pick that had a completely average year and has never even seen AHL ice let alone NHL ice. Patrick O'Sullivan + 3rd 09 >>>>>>>>>>> JVR by a wide margin. Sully's actually played NHL games for starters, has had a couple of good seasons to add to that. JVR is paraded around like he's some sort of messenger from the hockey gods or something. absolutely ridiculous.
but so is the trade. Do you honestly think Philly needs more forwards, let alone centres?
You know what's amazing?
You don't even know what position O'Sullivan plays
So how can you say that JVR is any better or worse in terms of trade value than him?
You don't even know what position O'Sullivan plays
So how can you say that JVR is any better or worse in terms of trade value than him?
Sully's a natural centre. Sure he played on the wing this season but centre is his position. dont tell me i do or dont know something. There's no reason for you to be a condescending jerk.
Sully's a natural centre. Sure he played on the wing this season but centre is his position. dont tell me i do or dont know something. There's no reason for you to be a condescending jerk.
So if JVR is so "average" then why do you even want him at all??? Just because you thienk he's trash doesn't make it true. He's worth far far more than O'Sullivan and a 3rd. You wouldn't even get a laugh from Holmgren if you called him up with that proposal, he'd just hang up without saying a word.
Any JVR trade would have to address their needs out back. At this point the best Oilers could offer that Flyers would even consider would be something like Gilbert + Chorney + Eberle for JVR + Lupul.
This is actually a little bit better but the Flyers have a lot of NHL dmen and defensive prospects already so we don't need 2 more. Also, this really doesn't improve the flyers over just keeping Lupul and JVR so it really doesn't matter if it's close to fair value. It may help you but it doesn't improve us.
