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04-06-2009, 01:20 PM
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Proposal: Zherdev on Draft Day

I posted this on the TR board as well, thought I'd get all of your take on it. Assuming Duchene is still on the board, would you trade:

NYR 1st '09 plus the RFA rights to Zherdev

for either LAK 1st '09 or OTT 1st '09?

I love Zherdev's skill, but I don't think he has the desire/drive/whatever to succeed on a Torts coached team. Am I the only one who thinks he's been a bit sulky lately? That, combined with whatever raise he is going to be looking for lead me to believe that we might be better of trading him.

Would you do it to get Duchene? The prospect of keeping he and Grachev together for a long time is really intriguing. Would you rather let him sign an offer sheet and stockpile the picks, or would be better served trying to nab a "premium" pick?

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While I really like Duchene I think that may be a bit much. I mean Zherdev was a very high first round pick and has already put up pretty good numbers in the NHL. I would rather hope someone gives him an offer sheet where the Rangers can get a couple 1st rounders.

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I would consider it. More to LA than OTT though. It's a matter if Torts thinks that Zherdev can get his head into a full season or if he thinks that Z is bound to stay on the crap list for the rest of his career.

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I'd do it, but LA or Ottawa wouldn't.

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I posted this on the TR board as well, thought I'd get all of your take on it. Assuming Duchene is still on the board, would you trade:

NYR 1st '09 plus the RFA rights to Zherdev

for either LAK 1st '09 or OTT 1st '09?

I love Zherdev's skill, but I don't think he has the desire/drive/whatever to succeed on a Torts coached team. Am I the only one who thinks he's been a bit sulky lately? That, combined with whatever raise he is going to be looking for lead me to believe that we might be better of trading him.

Would you do it to get Duchene? The prospect of keeping he and Grachev together for a long time is really intriguing. Would you rather let him sign an offer sheet and stockpile the picks, or would be better served trying to nab a "premium" pick?
Tough question. I like Zherdev a lot but you are right that he has seemed a bit low. He doesn't seem to stick handle as much but I don't know if I want him gone unless he asks for too much. Do you really think Duchene is worth our 1st AND Zherdev? I don't know much about this prospect but Zherdev is a proven player with a huge upside. I don't want to him gone.

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I posted this on the TR board as well, thought I'd get all of your take on it. Assuming Duchene is still on the board, would you trade:

NYR 1st '09 plus the RFA rights to Zherdev

for either LAK 1st '09 or OTT 1st '09?

Would you do it to get Duchene? The prospect of keeping he and Grachev together for a long time is really intriguing. Would you rather let him sign an offer sheet and stockpile the picks, or would be better served trying to nab a "premium" pick?
Without hesitation.

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I'd do it, but LA or Ottawa wouldn't.
This.

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No. It's a deep draft. Our 1st could get us an elite player, while with our luck the player we'd get for Nickel Eye could be another Brendl.

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Duchene won't drop past the third pick.
And what is your plan for next year? Would you expect Duchene to step right in and replace Zherdev's production, as an 18-year-old? We will either have a pick around #20 or anywhere from #9-#14 if we miss the playoffs, and the difference between a player like a Ferraro if we kept our pick, and a player like Paajarvi-Svensson if we traded up to around #7, is not Zherdev.

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We should be happy that Grachev is producing as much as Duchene and not overextend ourselves.

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Tough question. I like Zherdev a lot but you are right that he has seemed a bit low. He doesn't seem to stick handle as much but I don't know if I want him gone unless he asks for too much. Do you really think Duchene is worth our 1st AND Zherdev? I don't know much about this prospect but Zherdev is a proven player with a huge upside. I don't want to him gone.
He doesn't stick handle because the coach doesn't want him too. There is fear in his game now after being benched numerous times.

We did the same thing with Kovalev. Players like Zherdev,Kovalev, you need to let them do their thing.

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I look at it this way:

I am in favor of letting Zherdev walk from an offer sheet in which we get a 2nd and a 3rd in return.

So, if the Rangers would offer say the 14th pick, and a second rounder to move up to say 5 or 6, i would do that in a heartbeat

I love Z's offensive abilities but his attitude and laziness are contradictory to the direction this team want to go in. Get what you can for him, plus use the money to sign Staal to a new contract before he hits RFA status

I know a lot of people love him on here but I am not willing to go through another Kovalev situation

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Kinda figured that by the end of this season, a lot of people would be sick of Zherdev.

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We should be happy that Grachev is producing as much as Duchene and not overextend ourselves.
Right, tell me how assembling a team with one good player goes.

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Right, tell me how assembling a team with one good player goes.
One good player. yeah okay. Im not sure why im even meriting this with a response but.

Dubi
Cally
Gomez
Lundqvist
Anisimov
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are all going to be around for a very, very long time. That crew is perfectly fine to build around if we didnt have deadweight contracts filling us to the cap max.

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One good player. yeah okay. Im not sure why im even meriting this with a response but.

Dubi
Cally
Gomez
Lundqvist
Anisimov
Staal
Sanguinetti
Del Zotto

are all going to be around for a very, very long time. That crew is perfectly fine to build around if we didnt have deadweight contracts filling us to the cap max.
So Zherdev isn't even on your list, yet going after Duchene is "overextending" ourselves?

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So Zherdev isn't even on your list, yet going after Duchene is "overextending" ourselves?
When I say "very long" im meaning next 4 years or so. Im unsure on whether or not he will still be here. Dealing him for an upgraded pick, however in a deep draft where a player picked at #15 has almost as good a shot at being a star as #5 is unwise.

I think we can get more for Zherdev than a trade-up. Maybe im wrong. I always saw Naslund as the one leaving on draft day for a pick.

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LA or OTT are not going to be in a position to get Duchene. He will be the #3 pick. Ottawa is going to get around the 9th pick, and Los Angelos will be getting around the #6 pick.

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When I say "very long" im meaning next 4 years or so. Im unsure on whether or not he will still be here. Dealing him for an upgraded pick, however in a deep draft where a player picked at #15 has almost as good a shot at being a star as #5 is unwise.

I think we can get more for Zherdev than a trade-up. Maybe im wrong. I always saw Naslund as the one leaving on draft day for a pick.
Naslund bags a mid-round pick at best. My thought process in this proposal completely hinges on Duchene being around at #6 or #7. I'm not sure how realistic that is, but I've seen him go there in a couple of mocks.

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Absolutely...in a heart beat

But realistically I don't think LA or Ottawa would take him. Maybe Sather could catch Bryan Murray napping and convince him to take Zherdev and put him with Spezza or HEatley or whoever. Trading Zherdev or letting him go for a good offer sheet is what should be done considering he isn't going to fit with Torts in the long run.

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Duchene won't drop past the third pick.
And what is your plan for next year? Would you expect Duchene to step right in and replace Zherdev's production, as an 18-year-old? We will either have a pick around #20 or anywhere from #9-#14 if we miss the playoffs, and the difference between a player like a Ferraro if we kept our pick, and a player like Paajarvi-Svensson if we traded up to around #7, is not Zherdev.
Here's the thing though. If we don't dump one of our big contracts this summer, we likely won't be able to sign both Zherdev and Antropov. So we may lose Zherdev anyway.

If he gets an offer sheet from another team, I seriously doubt it will be high enough to garner us 2 1st round picks (http://www.nhlscap.com/offer_sheets.htm). At most a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. More likely a 1st and 3rd. If we don't plan to resign him, we might get better value by trading his rights than by letting someone else sign him to an offer sheet.

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I'll take a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for Z to walk and free up the $$ to sign Antropov

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Naslund doesn't get us a 1st round anything. Maybe a late 2nd if we're lucky. And still the main problem would be the same--we're hampered by three atrocious contracts--Drury, Redden and Gomez. Any guesses on what any of them might bring on draft day? I'd be open to late round picks.

Zherdev has the most talent of probably any forward in our organization. He eerily reminds of Kovalev though. One could see him going somewhere else where he's second or third banana behind some guys who are really good--say Pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin and then really lighting it up--which was Kovalev's MO for a long time.

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Naslund doesn't get us a 1st round anything. Maybe a late 2nd if we're lucky. And still the main problem would be the same--we're hampered by three atrocious contracts--Drury, Redden and Gomez. Any guesses on what any of them might bring on draft day? I'd be open to late round picks.

Zherdev has the most talent of probably any forward in our organization. He eerily reminds of Kovalev though. One could see him going somewhere else where he's second or third banana behind some guys who are really good--say Pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin and then really lighting it up--which was Kovalev's MO for a long time.
I think Naslund and Rozsival should be gotten rid of first but if thereis a good offer on the table for Zherdev like a 1st 09, 2nd 09 and 3rd 09 then I think it makes sense to go for it. This is after Rozsival and Naslund are traded because if they are not then there is no point as Sather is obviously thinking this team should make the playoffs next season.

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