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Tyutin-Zherdev trade. Thoughts?

View Poll Results: What are your thoughts on the trade?
Bad trade. We got the short end of the trade with Zherdev 9 8.49%
I loved the trade. Zherdev for Tyutin was a good trade for us in CBJ 19 17.92%
Even trade but I am happy we got Zherdev 46 43.40%
Even trade but I am upset we lost Tyutin 21 19.81%
Even trade, no winner, no loser and I have no prefrence. 11 10.38%
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04-06-2009, 01:34 PM
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Tyutin-Zherdev trade. Thoughts?

So, I posted this in the CBJ section and now I am posting it here. I am interested to see what they think in contrast to what we think. What are your thoughts on the matter. Happy with the trade? Upset? Would you revert the trade if you had a chance

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So, I posted this in the CBJ section and now I am posting it here. I am interested to see what they think in contrast to what we think. What are your thoughts on the matter. Happy with the trade? Upset? Would you revert the trade if you had a chance
I would revert the trade if it meant that we wouldnt have signed redden because we would have had Tyutin

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I would revert the trade if it meant that we wouldnt have signed redden because we would have had Tyutin
Doesn't work like that .

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theres already a thread like this

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I cant really vote in this.

my option would be...

Even trade, but incredibly disappointed with Zherdev.

We knew he was a risk, so I cant really say we got the short end of the stick. I miss toots though.

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You can't make this call in a vacuum. Go back to where the Rangers were when the trade was made.

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Before Tyutin left he was easily one of my favorite Rangers. I look at the D-corp we have now and I think it would be much better if we had Tyutin in our top-6.

However, we've got MDZ and Sangs slotted to make this team in a season or two so I feel like someone would have had to go anyway. At least we got something out of it.

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Doesn't work like that .
Looking at it now and how well Fedor has been playing...I wouldnt make the trade

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Dont forget they cleared cap space by trading Backman, not to mention with the loss of Shanahan, Straka and Jagr, goals had to be replaced on this team.

When it happened it was a brilliant trade, but we all knew what we were getting in Zherdev. An Egnima. Sadly, he hasnt proven otherwise. Hes got all-worldly skills few players have in this league but he cant finish consistently and he doesnt bring his A-Game every night.

Sure we lost Toots who i loved, but to me the problem with this team isnt the defense when you are dead last in PPG and GPGA. Not to mention Sanguinetti and Del Zotto might push some of the D men out of here come 09-10, 10-11 and many RFA's had to be re-signed.

Eh, who knows. I'm tired of analyzing what this team should do and how Sather ****ed up everything. This season has really sucked as a whole and its compounded by the fact that he payed Redden 6.5 a year until 2014 and two non 1st line centers similar contracts. That where it all stems from.


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Dont forget they cleared cap space by trading Backman, not to mention with the loss of Shanahan, Straka and Jagr, goals had to be replaced on this team.

When it happened it was a brilliant trade, but we all knew what we were getting in Zherdev. An Egnima. He hasnt proven otherwise.

Sure we lost Toots who i loved, but to me the problem with this team isnt the defense when you are dead last in PPG and GPGA. Not to mention Sanguinetti and Del Zotto might push some of the D men out of here come 09-10, 10-11 and many RFA's had to be re-signed.

Eh, who knows. I'm tired of analyzing what this team should do and how Sather ****ed up everything. This season has really sucked as a whole and its compounded by the fact that he payed Redden 6.5 a year until 2014 and two non 1st line centers similar contracts.
"Everything old is new again."

Man, i'm singing alot of the same old tunes lately. Maybe cause not much has changed. The Rangers have always been the Rangers - never go with the flow, always trying to be one step ahead but we end up taking two steps back.

If we just wouldve been patient and played the cards we were dealt, we would be where Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago & Columbus are.

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"Everything old is new again."

Man, i'm singing alot of the same old tunes lately. Maybe cause not much has changed. The Rangers have always been the Rangers - never go with the flow, always trying to be one step ahead but we end up taking two steps back.

If we just wouldve been patient and played the cards we were dealt, we would be where Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago & Columbus are.
Agree completely and now feeling even more depressed.


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I cant really vote in this.

my option would be...

Even trade, but incredibly disappointed with Zherdev.

We knew he was a risk, so I cant really say we got the short end of the stick. I miss toots though.
Leading our team in +/-, goals and points and only 4 points off of his career high. Yes, what a major disappointment he is. You must of had some absurd expectations for the kid.

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Not for nothing, but this season was a total disaster. I mean the brand of hockey is dull, and the season has steadily declined. Can't believe I was actually excited at one point to start the season.

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It was a good trade by Slats. We had no more Jagr, no Shanny, we needed offense and an extra Dman had to go the other way.

I like Nicky Z, he's a good 2nd line scorer.

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Toots didn't have a strong second half and was destroyed by the Pens.

The Toots-Girardi pairing was very shaky, but they were young and developing.

At the time the trade was made, i was ecstatic. In retrospect, I think the Rangers broke even, although Toots' dedication was never in question and Z just adds another distraction to a team that didnt need more.

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Even trade. We needed scoring, they needed defense.

And we dumped Backman

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You can't make this call in a vacuum. Go back to where the Rangers were when the trade was made.
You can. It's called heinsight(sp?) and the conclusion you come to is taken with a grain of salt. It's basically analyzing the trade. Say something productive about the issue please and not complain about the topic.

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You can. It's called heinsight(sp?) and the conclusion you come to is taken with a grain of salt. It's basically analyzing the trade. Say something productive about the issue please and not complain about the topic.
No, you can't. If you use hindsight, you see the Rangers would still have the same issue and that is getting a legit top six winger somehow.

Sorry if that's not productive enough for your liking.

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Leading our team in +/-, goals and points and only 4 points off of his career high. Yes, what a major disappointment he is. You must of had some absurd expectations for the kid.
Big fish in a small pond. Considering we don't have one 30 goal scorer on this team.

Lately, he's been sloppy, lazy, and riding the pine. so yeah, disappointed. I wasn't expecting 54 goals from him, and I understand why we got him.

Also, its been beaten to death, but +/- is one of the most misleading stats in hockey.

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its not like we've been blessed with 30 goal scorers since the lockout .

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Also, its been beaten to death, but +/- is one of the most misleading stats in hockey.
When a team has twelve less goals for than goals against, +7 is very impressive.

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Still wished we traded Girardi instead of Tyutin. Would have been a much better trade.

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Still wished we traded Girardi instead of Tyutin. Would have been a much better trade.
The BJ's probably felt that way too.

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Tytuin is part of a very big resurgence in Columbus. From everything I've read, his defense is above average and he's a physical force. I've always loved Fedor for those awesome hits he would throw in a game to wake the team up.

As for Zherdev, not a fan, at all. A complacent, lazy enigma. Saw the same crap with Yashin for 5 years, it's the same exact player. Worldy skills, don't backcheck, play when you feel like it type players.

Yuck. Rarely do those type(s) equal victory. JMHO.

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The BJ's probably felt that way too.
Maybe at the outset (considering cap hit and both players' progress to that point)...but Tyutin is a better player now than he was with us. Hitchcock deploys him in all the big spots and he has really shined in that system.

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