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Leblanc or Schroeder?

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08-07-2009, 01:57 PM
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Leblanc or Schroeder?

Team affiliations aside, who would you rather have? I've thought a lot about it and I'm really not sure which player I would take. Leblanc seems like a better two-way player with solid size and skill, while Schroeder is more of an offensive specialist with excellent wheels but lacks size(which may not be a factor in the end) and could use some work in his own end.

As players, they seem quite different but value as prospects seems rather similar. I don't label one better than the other based on draft placement as after 10 it seemed incredibly even until around pick 24 maybe.

Just wondering what you guys think as I really couldn't choose between the two at this moment, but those with better insight may have an easier time deciding.

If you were starting a team based on the type of team you would want(puck control, tough, defensive etc.) which would you choose? Not for your favourite NHL team but for a team that you yourself would be starting.

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08-07-2009, 02:02 PM
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i think leblanc is more of a safe pick. Schroeder is kinda small and could be something great, but i doubt it. Leblanc could surprise and become a #1 center, fulfill his potential and be a 2nd or drop and become a 3rd. Who knows.

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08-07-2009, 02:07 PM
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I'll take Leblanc. Impressive during the U-18 and had very nice season numbers in the USHL for his 1st year compared to guys like Sam Gagner, David Backes, Blake Wheeler and Paul Stastny.

Schroeder was really disappointing with Team USA when I saw him play, he seems to lack effort and his breakaway move was shameful.

Thought at this stage, I didn't saw much of both, after this season we will have a better idea.

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Lol. LeBlanc could be/is the worst player of the first round. But I understand why Montreal took him.

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This is a good question.

I've always been iffy about players drafted out of the NCAA, but I don't really know how players drafted out of the USHL do either.

I also feel like Leblanc was only drafted at that position because he was from Quebec. Schroeder was also predicted to go top 15.

Leblanc seems like the type who I'd want. He's a two way player who can handle the physical aspects of the game quite well. I've been hearing people question the character of the two though.

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Just to clarify, I am not asking who will be better, but who you personally would take.


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I also feel like Leblanc was only drafted at that position because he was from Quebec. Schroeder was also predicted to go top 15.
you do know he's the first québécois we draft in the first round for years????

he got picked where he was projected, if Timmins was high on him it wasn't because of his name.

He has the potential.


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Honestly, do you really believe that LeBlanc would have gone at 18 if he wasn't from Quebec and/or Montreal was picking there?
ISS had him 12th

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11679

what's your point?


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Honestly, do you really believe that LeBlanc would have gone at 18 if he wasn't from Quebec and/or if Montreal wasn't picking there?
Have you followed the Canadiens' drafting? They RARELY draft Quebec born players at all.

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ISS had him 12th

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11679

what's your point?

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So? http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11908 had him at, oh what a shocker, Montreal or 23rd. You can find a 100 different projections, doesn't change the fact that he was picked too early. But again, I understand why Montreal had to take him.

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Honestly, do you really believe that LeBlanc would have gone at 18 if he wasn't from Quebec and/or if Montreal wasn't picking there?
TSN ranked him 17th, ISS ranked him 12th, Red Line Report ranked him 10th, Mckeens ranked him 15th, and Central Scouting ranked him 15th amongst North American skaters (four European players went ahead of him in the actual draft). The Hockey News had him lowest by far at 29th, but that's still a first rounder. What a surprise first rounder.

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Too hard to pick at the moment because neither appear NHL ready to me. I'll agree that Leblanc seems to be the safer pick and any team needing depth would be glad to have him.

However, Schroeder is the guy i would take. If both players reach their potential, Scroeder is a rarer asset to have. There are more solid 2nd line centres in the league then there are top line scoring Rw's.

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This is a tough one . I had both ranked in the 10-15 range going into the draft. They are very close and I believe it really depends on team needs. I think Montreal made the right choice at 18 for their team. Where as Vancouver, with Hodgson in the pipeline, would take Schroeder over Leblanc if they had the option of both. I think there are a few teams that picked in top 15 that are going to be kicking them selves for years for passing on these two. Anaheim and Minnesota come to mind.

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Leblanc.

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Schroeder is a great 2 way player too and doesn't need much work in that area.. Schroeder can also handle physical play too and is looked at as almost NHL ready and could make the Canucks next year. Schroeder skill level is higher and could be a star in the NHL.

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Schroeder is far more skilled, Leblanc is more of a safe pick.

Pretty much all Montréal does is take the safe pick.

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I can't tell you how great or bad Schroeder will be, like I said, I saw him in 2-3 WJC games and I think he lacks efforts and wasn't very creative in breakaway... No need to take it personal, Canucks made the right choice at this point by picking him.

And all of you who said Habs drafted Leblanc only because he was french, thats RETARDED...Habs didn't select a Quebecois in the 1st round since Chouinard in 1998... 11 years span...So cut that bullcrap, they took him because he was a Right Handed Centre, 2-way centre, he had a very nice tournament at the U-18, scoring 3 goals and 2 assists, the most goals among any other Canadian player in the tournament...

He outscored in his USHL rookie years players like Sam Gagne, Blake Wheeler, Stastny, etc etc.

Leblanc won't be a 80-90pts player in the NHL, but if he can bring 60-70ts with 2-way aplomb + his right shot, all habs fans will like it.


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Very hard to say..Habs w're obviously looking for a centre, and the one they wanted was available. I like Schroeder too, but I think Leblanc might have been the safer pick. I love what I've seen and heard from him so far. Very focused kid who coulden't be happier to have been picked by the Habs.

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So? http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11908 had him at, oh what a shocker, Montreal or 23rd. You can find a 100 different projections, doesn't change the fact that he was picked too early. But again, I understand why Montreal had to take him.
Bob McKenzie also said he'd be the steal of the draft, which is a fairly strong comment, considering he was supposed to go in the middle of the first round.

From what I've seen of Leblanc, he's a soft-handed hard worker. Definately can pot in some beauties, solid in all 3 zones.

I personally prefer Schroeder since I think he has first-line/game-breaking upside, whereas I don't see that in Leblanc.

Leblanc is the safer pick. Will probably make either a fine 2nd line offensive, but defensively responsable and good PKer, center or a checking line player with solid upside (20 goals or such in a shutdown role).

I still think Schroeder was the best choice at the position, but Leblanc is not by any means bad value at our spot. If he gets it all together and turns into a Simon Gagné/Mike Richards-style player, I'll be ecstatic, no matter what Schroeder turns into (I had him as a mini-Kane going into the draft).

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I am surprised that Schroeder went that late, he had an outstanding freshman year on what may have been the best line in college hockey. I don't see Leblanc putting up anything close to what Schroeder did in his freshman year, (yes I know Havard isn't the same as Minnesota, but putting up major points in the WCHA is impressive, over say the ECAC)

But since we are talking about the draft, it's about where these kids will be 5 years from now. So time will tell who will be better, my money at this stage would not be on Leblanc, but then again while Timmins has gotten a lot of his picks to the NHL, he also has gotten a ton of flak for the picks he didn't make like not getting Getzlaf/Carter etc... over A.Kostitsyn, or not taking Green over Chipchura, or not taking Giroux over Fischer etc...

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Leblanc = Mike Richards
Schroeder = Zach Parise

Take your pick.

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Bob McKenzie also said he'd be the steal of the draft, which is a fairly strong comment, considering he was supposed to go in the middle of the first round.
No, he didn't. He said he could be a first round sleeper and end up being better than some of the guys before him if he went around 18.

I like Leblanc, but please get your quotes right. Sleeper means he could be very good pick at that spot, but that's far from "steal of the draft". Also, the way you put it, you make it sound like Bob was talking in absolutes, he never says such and such a prospect will(definitively) do such and such.

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No, he didn't. He said he could be a first round sleeper and end up being better than some of the guys before him if he went around 18.

I like Leblanc, but please get your quotes right. Sleeper means he could be very good pick at that spot, but that's far from "steal of the draft". Also, the way you put it, you make it sound like Bob was talking in absolutes, he never says such and such a prospect will(definitively) do such and such.
Those were exact words. Said he could "possibly" be the steal of the draft.

He also added:

"this kid played for the Under-18 team last summer on a line with potential No. 1 pick in 2010 Taylor Hall and the highly touted Matt Duchene. The people at Hockey Canada and the team said there wasn't a single moment where Leblanc looked out of place. He skated stride for stride with those guys, made plays, scored goals and was a big-time contributor in the same vein as his linemates."

Sounds like Bob has a liking for Mr Leblanc.

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Schroeder, more high end skill and I don't think he is too much of a riskier pick. Big fan of Leblanc's ability, but he is going to Harvard. Not a whole lot of high end players come out of there.

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Those were exact words. Said he could "possibly" be the steal of the draft.

He also added:

"this kid played for the Under-18 team last summer on a line with potential No. 1 pick in 2010 Taylor Hall and the highly touted Matt Duchene. The people at Hockey Canada and the team said there wasn't a single moment where Leblanc looked out of place. He skated stride for stride with those guys, made plays, scored goals and was a big-time contributor in the same vein as his linemates."

Sounds like Bob has a liking for Mr Leblanc.

Do you really expect a team to draft someone and then go" Yeah, we think he's going to be a bust"

Everyone knows, had Montréal drafted anyone else with Leblanc still available that player would be boo'd

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