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04-10-2009, 10:44 AM
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Halak to the Flyers

Yeah...another goalie to the flyers thread lol.

Ive always liked Halak and would love if the flyers could pick him up in a deal. I am happy with Biron...but with the cap the way it is...if they could get a younger cheaper goalie like Halak i dont think itd hurt them.

Im just curious about what people think itd take to get him. I think the deal would have to start with Lupul, who the flyers are going to need to trade for cap space...but what else? Carle or Jones? A pick? Nitty? Im not sure what the habs needs are right now...so i just wanted to hear what others though on the matter.

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04-10-2009, 10:53 AM
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I don't know if Montreal would trade Halak inside their conference...but i guess something around Lupul would make sense. We have a lot of young d-men right now that are coming up the ranks, but not ready to make the jump...but Philly is not stacked on D at the NHL level either so thats not a good fit.

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I think Halak will be moved in the offseason, perhaps at the draft. Gainey will bring in a veteran backup for Price.

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Jones + Niitty at draft for Halak + pick

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Is this Flyers Trade Proposal Week?

At least this one is quality. The rest were just plain garbage.

I don't know what the deal with Halak is, but I don't expect any miracles out of him. I'm not sure he's an upgrade to Biron right now and we would likely be getting him to be a starter. Or am I mistaken somehow?

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For next year, Montreal needs, in no particular order:
  • Size at center
  • Skilled gritty player
  • Veteran backup goalie


They have 10-11 UFA's at the end of the season. They may keep some, but several will be let go.

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04-10-2009, 11:02 AM
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Is this Flyers Trade Proposal Week?

At least this one is quality. The rest were just plain garbage.

I don't know what the deal with Halak is, but I don't expect any miracles out of him. I'm not sure he's an upgrade to Biron right now and we would likely be getting him to be a starter. Or am I mistaken somehow?
Halak may not be an upgrade over Biron right now, but in a year or two he defenitly will be. He's a little Tomas Vokoun version 2.0 and gives you a solid goalie for the future.

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I think Halak will be moved in the offseason, perhaps at the draft. Gainey will bring in a veteran backup for Price.
It wouldn't surprise me, although I think it would be a mistake. Halak has shown us his value, and it should be quite high -- *to us*. Having the young duo at least gives us the option of being covered in nets if one is hurt or not playing well (although in the latter case, Gainey seems reluctant to excercise his option).

The market value of a young unproven goalie is usually low, although sometimes unpredictable. I just think the Flyers would have a lot of options such that they wouldn't even need to give up a Lupul to get a goalie who they could perceive having similar odds of success to Halak. Heck, I don't know why they'd put him ahead of re-signing Biron or using Niitymaki, really. And that said, I also don't think the Habs need Lupul. Or a Lupul-like player. We need a backup goalie, and Halak is a good and very affordable one. I don't think I'd re-open that position. The Habs are organizationally very thin in net behind them, and I think it would be smart to retain both young goaltending assets as long as they can.

The things I think could tempt the Habs would be a big strong regular forward, or a really reliable and solid defenseman. They don't need generic offensive depth or 'tweener type defensemen. A Hartnell type up front, a Coburn type on D. I don't perceive such assets to be available for a goaltending diceroll like Halak, though.

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Jones + Niitty at draft for Halak + pick
i'd be extremly surprised if Gainey would trade Halak + a pick for that package... Jones is alright, but i think Gainey would want to trade Halak for a player with similar upside.

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Jones + Niitty at draft for Halak + pick
Niittymaki is going to be a free agent this summer.

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He's a little Tomas Vokoun version 2.0 and gives you a solid goalie for the future.
Like Price was supposed to be Patrick Roy 2.0 ?

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Niittymaki is going to be a free agent this summer.



Like Price was supposed to be Patrick Roy 2.0 ?
Meh, who says he still can't be ...But seriously, he's had a difficult year. hopefully he can rebound next year and gain a little more maturity. Halak on the other hand is a complete pro...that kid is a straight arrow.

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Jones + Niitty at draft for Halak + pick
Wow...that would be wonderful lol.

The way i see it, the flyers need to lose at least 2 of the following 3 players in the offseason for cap reasons: Lupul, Jones, Carle. If the flyers can do that, and get a cheaper goalie in return, that would give them great cap relief for next season...and even potentially making signing someone like JBo possible (i know, pipe dream, but i can still dream lol).

I think lupul would work great in the habs offense, and hes a younger talent signed for a good amount of time. Jones or carle gives them a younger dman that could play decent minutes for them. Not sure of the habs cap situation...so idk if its possible for them to take on two of those salaries.

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I think lupul would work great in the habs offense, and hes a younger talent signed for a good amount of time. Jones or carle gives them a younger dman that could play decent minutes for them. Not sure of the habs cap situation...so idk if its possible for them to take on two of those salaries.
The main thing about the Habs cap situation is that it won't likely be clear until after July 1st. In theory, they have tons of cap space... but they will probably want to use almost all of it to try to retain some of their current FAs. And/or they will want to chase any big-name players who are available July 1st. I don't see them abandoning those hopes for Jones/Carle/Lupul types until or unless things don't go well for them after July 1st.

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Wow...that would be wonderful lol.

The way i see it, the flyers need to lose at least 2 of the following 3 players in the offseason for cap reasons: Lupul, Jones, Carle. If the flyers can do that, and get a cheaper goalie in return, that would give them great cap relief for next season...and even potentially making signing someone like JBo possible (i know, pipe dream, but i can still dream lol).

I think lupul would work great in the habs offense, and hes a younger talent signed for a good amount of time. Jones or carle gives them a younger dman that could play decent minutes for them. Not sure of the habs cap situation...so idk if its possible for them to take on two of those salaries.
It will be very tough to fit Bouwmeester under the Flyers cap. But bringing him in they would definitely get rid of Jones and Carle. But the problem then becomes Coburn and Parent the next season and then Giroux, Sbisa, Carter and Gagne the following. I'd rather keep all those guys then have Bouwmeester.

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Meh, who says he still can't be ...But seriously, he's had a difficult year. hopefully he can rebound next year and gain a little more maturity. Halak on the other hand is a complete pro...that kid is a straight arrow.
I got to agree with you that Halak has potential.

Howard and a 2nd or 3rd pick. Deal ?

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I got to agree with you that Halak has potential.

Howard and a 2nd or 3rd pick. Deal ?
No. We would rather just keep him. Same thing with the Nitty and Jones package. Or Lupul.

I know Halak's value isn't high. That's why it makes no sense to trade him.

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04-10-2009, 01:02 PM
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Jones + Niitty at draft for Halak + pick
No way, not a fan of either Jones or Nitty, I wouldn't trade anything for either let alone Halak, who is a decent young backup on a cheap contract + a pick. F that.

I could see the Habs trading Halak over the summer, but for what I have no clue. Then again, I'd have no problem with bringing him back so the Habs are in no rush to move him.

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I got to agree with you that Halak has potential.

Howard and a 2nd or 3rd pick. Deal ?
I liked Howard a lot while in the NCAA, and he's been good in the AHL (I see GR a lot since they are fighting with Hamilton all season for home ice, including this weekend) I wouldn't want to move Halak for a prospect goalie though, although the Habs could use a good goalie prospect on the farm (Cedrick Desjardins has been decent in his rookie year but if the Habs get injuries to their goalies, yikes)

I would hope that if Halak is traded, it will be in a package to improve the team for next year, as the Habs could be in real trouble if they lose all their UFA's.

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If Koivu leaves, I could see some interest from Gainey in a deal for Briere if other options don't pan out. I'm personally not interested in Briere and the length of his contract, but I'm not Gainey.

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Halak vs J.V.R straight up

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Lupul + Claude for Halak + 2nd

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Lupul + Claude for Halak + 2nd
Giroux goes no where. Maybe for Mason or Rinne or another young franchise goalie

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There is no real reason to trade Halak now.

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Giroux goes no where. Maybe for Mason or Rinne or another young franchise goalie
I know. . I just want a chance to watch him live again (saw him a lot in gatineau, and now i live in MTL during hockey season).

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