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04-10-2009, 05:36 AM
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-First, NHL revenues are up 5%, which equates to 59.5 Million cap space (Roughly). LINK


To EDM:

Jordan Staal
Eric Tangradi


To PIT:

Lubomir Visnovsky
Robert Nilsson

Why Edmonton does this:
MacT is gone, with Lowe stepping even further away from the organization. Tambellini will have the opportunity to build the team he wants, which is rumored to be bigger. Jordan Staal is the perfect complimentary center to Sam Gagner moving forward, it also gives the Oilers a big, future, top 6 winger, exactly what the team could use, and also dumps some money to potentially sign Bouwmeester and/or ride out the untradeable years of Horcoff's contract, aswell as Penner's. About Visnovsky's NTC, I think either facing a lost, rebuilding team, or playing for one of the Elite in the league, he would elect to be traded.

Why Pittsburgh does this:
Gonchar is aging, and with the cap going up, the Pens get a replacement for Gonchar as well as a strengthened blue-line for another deep push next year. Also adds a skilled top-6 winger for Malkin, it scares me to think what Nilsson could do with a player like Malkin.

Obviously this would be the start to the re-imagining of the Oilers, about freaking time.

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04-10-2009, 05:55 AM
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Huge no from Pittsburgh, Gonch may be ageing but he's playing some of the best hockey of his career, by the time he actually needs to be replaced it will be with Letang and Goligoski. We aren't going to spend the little spare cap we have on another top pairing offensive defenseman when we already have a superior one and need that money to put wings around the two headed monster. Not to mention moving Staal who logs 20 minutes a night just opens another big hole for us and being on the hook for Lubo for another what 4 seasons at 5.6 mill? If Staal was to be moved then the center piece in return is a winger not another offensive dman, and who is this "skilled top-6 winger" we are adding? all I see is a guy with 9 goals in 63 games this year who is 24


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04-10-2009, 08:24 AM
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Definite no.

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04-10-2009, 08:28 AM
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Hard no from the Oilers side. Visnovskys are best player and probably the only one I would keep from last years team.

Picking up Staal gives us a backup of centers as well.

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04-10-2009, 09:31 AM
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There wasn't a lot of thought put into this.

Edmonton doesn't need more centers.

Pittsburgh doesn't need more offensive defensemen, or under performing wingers, and would probably rather have Tangradi over Nilsson. I also don't think they would have the cap to take on nearly ~3.6 million extra in salary.

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Wow - talk about highway robbery. Hell no.

Why exactly do the Penguins need another offensive D?

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I just puked in my mouth. .

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I'd rather see Kennedy bumped up to the top six instead of trading for someone like Nilsson.

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This is hilarious, a MASSIVE NO from the pens.

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Oh dear God...no from Pens...

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04-10-2009, 12:02 PM
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To Pit- Kevin Bieksa, Mason Raymond, Kyle Wellwood
To Van- Jordan Staal


Pittsburgh gets Raymond to play alongside Malkin or Crosby in the top 6, Wellwood replaces Staal as the 3rd line centre and Bieksa can log huge minutes in all situations on the backend.

Vancouver gets a 2nd line centre to play with Ryan Kesler.

*Steve Bernier or Michael Grabner could also be substituted for Raymond or Wellwood*

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04-10-2009, 12:16 PM
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I used to think Canadians knew a lot about hockey.

Reading proposals here involving Pens' players, mostly Staal, Malkin and even of late Crosby from Oiler, Montreal and Toronto fans over the past couple of years I see that I was mistaken.

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04-10-2009, 12:41 PM
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BTW thanks to the OP for giving me my first legitimate "LOL" while reading HFBoards. You've outdone yourself with that deal sir.

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04-10-2009, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Drop the Sopel View Post
To Pit- Kevin Bieksa, Mason Raymond, Kyle Wellwood
To Van- Jordan Staal


Pittsburgh gets Raymond to play alongside Malkin or Crosby in the top 6, Wellwood replaces Staal as the 3rd line centre and Bieksa can log huge minutes in all situations on the backend.

Vancouver gets a 2nd line centre to play with Ryan Kesler.

*Steve Bernier or Michael Grabner could also be substituted for Raymond or Wellwood*

HA. Bieksa, Raymond and Grabner for Staal? I like that a lot but no one in Vancouver would.

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04-10-2009, 12:48 PM
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This is ****ing terrible, and I doubt anyone could come up with a worse fit for Pittsburgh if they tried.

Gonchar's "aging" only in the sense that he's getting older like every other human on earth...he's still better than Visnovsky's ever been, and the Pens have Letang playing superbly and a great offensive d prospect in Goligoski treading water in the minors waiting for an opportunity anyway. Dealing Staal (at all, really, but especially) for a redundancy like that would be silly.

Further, we're not going to trade a good, huge, hard working PF prospect for a lazy, soft, inconsistent winger like Nilsson.

Get this garbage out of here.

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04-10-2009, 01:06 PM
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Visnovsky is by far the best player in the deal. I don't really feel we should trade our #1 defenseman, top 15 in the league for a second line centerman. Gilbert, maybe.

People just don't realize how good Visnovsky is defensively.

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04-10-2009, 01:13 PM
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Visnovsky is by far the best player in the deal. I don't really feel we should trade our #1 defenseman, top 15 in the league for a second line centerman. Gilbert, maybe.

People just don't realize how good Visnovsky is defensively.
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04-10-2009, 01:14 PM
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HA. Bieksa, Raymond and Grabner for Staal? I like that a lot but no one in Vancouver would.
It was suppose to be Raymond or Grabner.

Bieksa, Raymond or Grabner, Wellwood

It's a steep price to pay but IMO Staal is going to go on to be something special. A 1st line centre that can physically dominate the opposition defensively and chip in with 30 goals, 70-80 points. Those players are very hard to come by.

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-First, NHL revenues are up 5%, which equates to 59.5 Million cap space (Roughly). LINK


To EDM:

Jordan Staal
Eric Tangradi


To PIT:

Lubomir Visnovsky
Robert Nilsson

Why Edmonton does this:
MacT is gone, with Lowe stepping even further away from the organization. Tambellini will have the opportunity to build the team he wants, which is rumored to be bigger. Jordan Staal is the perfect complimentary center to Sam Gagner moving forward, it also gives the Oilers a big, future, top 6 winger, exactly what the team could use, and also dumps some money to potentially sign Bouwmeester and/or ride out the untradeable years of Horcoff's contract, aswell as Penner's. About Visnovsky's NTC, I think either facing a lost, rebuilding team, or playing for one of the Elite in the league, he would elect to be traded.

Why Pittsburgh does this:
Gonchar is aging, and with the cap going up, the Pens get a replacement for Gonchar as well as a strengthened blue-line for another deep push next year. Also adds a skilled top-6 winger for Malkin, it scares me to think what Nilsson could do with a player like Malkin.

Obviously this would be the start to the re-imagining of the Oilers, about freaking time.
Adjust you cap to 55mm or so. What Bettman doesn't mention, he is spinning, is that while at the end of the regular season revenue may be up, that's before the exchange rate of the CAD is figured in. When that happens, revenue is flat. The other factor here is that the NHLPA has used a 5% "inflation" clause to bump the cap the past 2 years. Since the players will be paying back ~18% of their salaries this season they aren't likely to go along with that 5% bump again. So the net loss will be a ~5% reduction.

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04-10-2009, 01:34 PM
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Sigh yourself. I understand if you don't want anymore defenseman (to be honest, I think you could definitely use one), but to say there isn't fair value is ludicrous and completely overvaluing Jordan Staal.

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Sigh yourself. I understand if you don't want anymore defenseman (to be honest, I think you could definitely use one), but to say there isn't fair value is ludicrous and completely overvaluing Jordan Staal.
Well compared to the Oiler proposal for Crosby made yesterday this proposal admittedly is a brilliant bargain. Only by comparison mind you, not in reality. I stand by my Canadian generalization above. Hard to not generalize after the wealth of evidence on this board over the last two years. This thread being an example.

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Sigh yourself. I understand if you don't want anymore defenseman (to be honest, I think you could definitely use one), but to say there isn't fair value is ludicrous and completely overvaluing Jordan Staal.
Staal for Visnovsky might be fair in terms of their play right now. You could argue Visnovsky might be playing better, but he's also 12 years older than Jordan and that's the deal killer.

Tangradi has a good chance to be a better player than Nilsson. He might not be. I'm not psychic, but the Pens would be foolish not to keep him and find out for themselves.

And Why would we need another D-Man?
Our Core D-Men Signed Beyond This Season
Gonchar
Letang
Orpik
Eaton

Good Prospects
Goligoski (A Top Prospect. He played well for the Pens before the vets got healthy this year and relegated him back to the minors)
Grant (He's still in juniors, but has some talent and could be a good NHL D-Man)
Lovejoy (He's a +40 something in the AHL right now)

I don't see any need for another D-Man.

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04-10-2009, 02:37 PM
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Well compared to the Oiler proposal for Crosby made yesterday this proposal admittedly is a brilliant bargain. Only by comparison mind you, not in reality. I stand by my Canadian generalization above. Hard to not generalize after the wealth of evidence on this board over the last two years. This thread being an example.
I guess you buy into the endemic overvaluing of Jordan Staal, and young players in general, on HFBoards.

Visnovsky has always flown under the radar, though so I guess it isn't entirely your fault for making false generalizations about 30 million people.

Before you start getting too pretentious, take a look at what real hockey minds think of Visnovsky:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=4...mpid=rss-wigge

Scroll to the last third of the article.

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Visnovsky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Staal

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Staal for Visnovsky might be fair in terms of their play right now. You could argue Visnovsky might be playing better, but he's also 12 years older than Jordan and that's the deal killer.
No, it isn't even close to fair value based on current play. Visnovsky was on pace to easily outscore Jordan Staal as a #1 Defenseman playing against top lines with a ridiculously low goals against/60. Trading Vis for Staal straight up would set our franchise back at least three years. Even taking to account Staal's likelihood of improving the Oilers don't do this deal.

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