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04-11-2009, 12:06 PM
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Stupid deal, hossa wants the money and never really wanted to sign with detroit so he's gone.

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Stupid deal, hossa wants the money and never really wanted to sign with detroit so he's gone.

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Yeah that's why he didn't take all that money from Edmonton

Yet another classic comment from The Polak.


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well back a few years, Bertuzzi was a beast for the Canucks and not many would have blinked if he signed a 10 year 40million deal.

hands up who wants to be on the hook for the last few year and a few more going forward wth Beruzzi at 4m. in a risk management scenario, these long term deals put most the risk on the organization. not a risk I would take, but clearly one that Holland would. since Holland is closer to Franzen than I, who am I to suggest otherwise.

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04-11-2009, 12:15 PM
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well back a few years, Bertuzzi was a beast for the Canucks and not many would have blinked if he signed a 10 year 40million deal.

hands up who wants to be on the hook for the last few year and a few more going forward wth Beruzzi at 4m. in a risk management scenario, these long term deals put most the risk on the organization. not a risk I would take, but clearly one that Holland would. since Holland is closer to Franzen than I, who am I to suggest otherwise.
$4m cap hit for Bertuzzi, starting 5 or 6 years ago? I am of the opinion that would be a good contract. And Bertuzzi is a pretty unique situation.

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04-11-2009, 12:34 PM
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This signing completely destroys the Oilers' entire summer strategy.
If thats the case then Edmonton's management is even more incompetent than I thought...

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04-11-2009, 12:38 PM
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If thats the case then Edmonton's management is even more incompetent than I thought...

Heh don't worry they are much more incompetent then we all know

If the hit is below 3.5ish like a few here have suggested this is a great signing by holland once again. That guy is so smart he's almost dangerous.

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04-11-2009, 12:39 PM
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It's absolutely a loophole, and Holland is a smart mofo for finding it. Expect to see this gone in the next CBA.

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well back a few years, Bertuzzi was a beast for the Canucks and not many would have blinked if he signed a 10 year 40million deal.

hands up who wants to be on the hook for the last few year and a few more going forward wth Beruzzi at 4m. in a risk management scenario, these long term deals put most the risk on the organization. not a risk I would take, but clearly one that Holland would. since Holland is closer to Franzen than I, who am I to suggest otherwise.
If it's front loaded and the last years of the contract paid him $2 million or under, I would say any team that's cash strapped and isn't worried about the cap anyway. There are quite a few teams in the league at the moment where this is the case.

If the team is really broke and having a hard time reaching the salary floor, they'd love to have a player or two on the team who is in the last couple years of a long term front loaded contract.

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Detroit Red Wings general manager Ken Holland announced today that the club has signed forward Johan Franzen to an 11-year contract.

In keeping with team policy, additional terms of the deal were not disclosed. The 11-year pact represents the second longest deal in club history, just behind the twelve-year contract signed by teammate Henrik Zetterberg in January.

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11 years



Seems like Charles Wang was a visionary.

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Ill wait to see the $$ but 11 years seems crazy for Franzen.
If its over 4 million I dunno if its worth it.

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It's absolutely a loophole, and Holland is a smart mofo for finding it. Expect to see this gone in the next CBA.
As smart as me discovering the telephone.

This "loophole" was used by several teams before Holland started doing it. Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson, Fisher, Vanek, Briere, Richards, Timonen, Hartnell and many other players have front loaded contracts.

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Ill wait to see the $$ but 11 years seems crazy for Franzen.
If its over 4 million I dunno if its worth it.
There's no way it will be anywhere near 4m.

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Ill wait to see the $$ but 11 years seems crazy for Franzen.
If its over 4 million I dunno if its worth it.
i don't know... the wings might be onto something here. these ridiculously long deals are allowing them to keep the cap hits at a reasonable number and keep such an excellent roster intact. they don't expect zetterberg or franzen to come close to playing out the lengths of their deals before retiring, so they're not concerned about it.

of course, there's significantly more risk with franzen than there is with zetterberg in terms of quality of play over those years. but you have to admire holland and how he runs things over there. a first-class organization in every aspect and arguably one of the best in all of pro sports.

congrats to detroit fans on the good news.


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04-11-2009, 12:58 PM
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11 years



Seems like Charles Wang was a visionary.
Ignorance is bliss?

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I cannot wait until someone does this to a RFA...

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11 years? Are you ****ing mental? Till he's 40?!

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Why limit years on a contract? That's just stupid.

If a GM wants to put a shotgun in his mouth and pull the trigger with a contract like that, let him. It affects nothing else in the league financially. GM's still have their own sandboxes to destroy their franchises.

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As smart as me discovering the telephone.

This "loophole" was used by several teams before Holland started doing it. Heatley, Spezza, Alfredsson, Fisher, Vanek, Briere, Richards, Timonen, Hartnell and many other players have front loaded contracts.
The loophole is intentionally putting the contract length beyond what the player knows he will play in order to lower the cap hit. Franzen retires at 35 or 36 and it's an absolute steal.

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The loophole is intentionally putting the contract length beyond what the player knows he will play in order to lower the cap hit. Franzen retires at 35 or 36 and it's an absolute steal.
discovered by charles wang

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The loophole is intentionally putting the contract length beyond what the player knows he will play in order to lower the cap hit. Franzen retires at 35 or 36 and it's an absolute steal.
bingo. and the wings can pull it off because players actually want to play out their entire careers in detroit. the benefits of a stellar reputation and doing things the right way in action.

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The loophole is intentionally putting the contract length beyond what the player knows he will play in order to lower the cap hit. Franzen retires at 35 or 36 and it's an absolute steal.
The player still has to agree to it. You make it seem as if all players are willing to accept less money in exchange for these "phony" years in which they apparently aren't going to be playing. What does the player get out of that?

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heh... except i think that wang fully expects/expected dipietro to play all 15 seasons.

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The player still has to agree to it. You make it seem as if all players are willing to accept less money in exchange for these "phony" years in which they apparently aren't going to be playing. What does the player get out of that?
The same thing the players get by signing in Detroit in the first place. They get to play with other good players and win. Every contract signed like this can be used to keep another player and keep winning.

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The Red Wings have signed forward Johan Franzen to an 11-year contract extension that averages $3.9 million a season.

It's a front-loaded deal that includes a no-trade clause for the first five or six years.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....sign_joha.html

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