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03-19-2004, 11:28 AM
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What ppl sometimes don't take into account is the reason Brashear doesn't fight as much as others, is that many goons do not wan't to be humiliated by him...fights often happen when a team wants a momentum shift..how does it help shift momentum in your teams favour if you get dummied by the other teams tough-guy? If anything, it can further deflate your team.
i'd have to disagree with you on that one. every time i've seen Brashear not fight, it's because he skated away from a challenge. if the guy is good enough to beat him, he declines. he skates away from more challenges than anybody in the league.

try finding the heavyweights on his fightcard. no Shelley, Oliwa, Laraque, Cairns, etc. what do we find on his fight card? Purinton, Buchberger, McCarthy, Barnaby, Simpson, Brown, etc

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Were you sleeping when Oliwa smacked George around 10 seconds into the first BOA game this year? and then watched big george run from him in the last five!
I would hardly call that a win for Oliwa. I have seen every Oilers game this year and the ONLY fight Laraque has lost was against MJ from the Wild. There were a few draws and I would call that one a draw. Both Laraque and Oliwa got in some good shots. And yeah Laraque wouldn't fight him again after that cause he HURT HIS HAND in that game.

Laraque doesn't fight much since most heavyweights won't fight him anymore. He has never back down form a fight that I can think of EXCEPT when Mactavish tells him not to fight or he is injured. I can even think of at least twice that Brashear refused to fight Laraque.

Laraque is still the best enforcer in the game in my opinion.

I would take him and what he brings over anyone else listed so far in this thread.

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Line brawl in the playoffs. I think something happened with Lindros, so the Flyers put out Richardson, McCarthy and Berube on the ice. Berube challenges Domi off the drawl, who turns it down. Almost immediatly after, Domi is challenged by McCarthy (who had accused Domi of being a racist, which then prompted Domi to say he would never fight McCarthy again) so he is now being chased by two fighters. Domi does the fake glove drop and continues to skate away. Leaf players come in, and with Richardson, Berube, and McCarthy on the ice, all the players pair off except for Domi. The 3 Philly fighters started to throw with they guys they had, all non fighters, which prompted Domi to fly into the mix and incidently get thrown head first into the boards, cuttign him. I believe Scappy broke up the fight McCarthy was in, holding him back. Domi, free from anyone, goes over to the scene you see. Adam Burt is tied up with Karbele, and Domi starts punching a already engaged Burt, then on the ice. Richardson sees this and goes over to Domi, who then skates around Karberle using him as a shield so that Richardson can't get to him. Domi then goes over and taunts a tied up McCarthy, before being led off the ice.
Thanks man, great explanantion...

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You're probably a Canucks fan, so no offense on Cooke...he's a good player, but him running away from Matt Johnson a month back was disgraceful.
Enforcers should be their to protect their star players........End of story.
You need to get your facts straight. Matt Cooke is not and has never been an enforcer. His job is to protect people? He's 5-11 and was being head-hunted by the 6-5 goon Matt Johnson. Brookbank's job is protecting, not Cooke's.

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03-19-2004, 02:37 PM
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P.J. Stock.. best fighter for his size

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03-19-2004, 03:14 PM
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i'd have to disagree with you on that one. every time i've seen Brashear not fight, it's because he skated away from a challenge. if the guy is good enough to beat him, he declines. he skates away from more challenges than anybody in the league.

try finding the heavyweights on his fightcard. no Shelley, Oliwa, Laraque, Cairns, etc. what do we find on his fight card? Purinton, Buchberger, McCarthy, Barnaby, Simpson, Brown, etc
Try researching what you're talking about. Buchberger ran him in an effort to fire up his team. Brown ran him after he drilled Brylin into the boards. Simpson wasn't a fight it was part of the OTT-PHI melee. Brashear tries to fight the Holiks, Nolans, etc. If you watched the TOR-PHI game last night Brashear did his job well whenever on the ice.

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03-19-2004, 06:09 PM
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You need to get your facts straight. Matt Cooke is not and has never been an enforcer. His job is to protect people? He's 5-11 and was being head-hunted by the 6-5 goon Matt Johnson. Brookbank's job is protecting, not Cooke's.

I'm confused is it his job to protect people or not? My whole point was that guys like Cooke and Nash run people but don't back there game with the fisticuffs when need be. I admit Cooke is a good checker with good speed, but that's all. Avery runs people but he can back his ***** up. Even when Cooke tried to sort out Moore, he still got his ass kicked. Cooke is obviously important to Vancouver and his teammates, but players like that ten years ago would get crushed for yapping and hitting the way he does. That's why MJ went after his ass!

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Try researching what you're talking about. Buchberger ran him in an effort to fire up his team. Brown ran him after he drilled Brylin into the boards. Simpson wasn't a fight it was part of the OTT-PHI melee. Brashear tries to fight the Holiks, Nolans, etc. If you watched the TOR-PHI game last night Brashear did his job well whenever on the ice.
Philly fan i take it? so he'll fight the Buchberger's and Brown's when ran, but he'll back down from anybody good enough to beat him.

Brashear is BY FAR the sadest excuse for an enforcer currently in the NHL.

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Even when Cooke tried to sort out Moore, he still got his ass kicked.
although that i agree Cooke is pretty cowardly and rarely ever backs up what he has to say, i'd hesitate using the Moore fight as an example. they both wear visors, and Cooke took off his helmet like any good sport would, while Moore left his on. during the fight Moore was free to throw punches at Cooke's unprotected head while Cooke spent the fight trying to pry Moore's helmet off.

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Philly fan i take it? so he'll fight the Buchberger's and Brown's when ran, but he'll back down from anybody good enough to beat him.

Brashear is BY FAR the sadest excuse for an enforcer currently in the NHL.
Who's good enough to beat him?

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03-19-2004, 06:58 PM
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I'm confused is it his job to protect people or not? My whole point was that guys like Cooke and Nash run people but don't back there game with the fisticuffs when need be. I admit Cooke is a good checker with good speed, but that's all. Avery runs people but he can back his ***** up. Even when Cooke tried to sort out Moore, he still got his ass kicked. Cooke is obviously important to Vancouver and his teammates, but players like that ten years ago would get crushed for yapping and hitting the way he does. That's why MJ went after his ass!
The thing I was taking exception to was the implication that Cooke is an enforcer and/or his job is to protect his teammates. If you were just making a comparison to old time hockey than that's okay. The pest role is certainly something that's more apparent in today's NHL, although I'm wondering if tikanen fought very often?

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although that i agree Cooke is pretty cowardly and rarely ever backs up what he has to say, i'd hesitate using the Moore fight as an example. they both wear visors, and Cooke took off his helmet like any good sport would, while Moore left his on. during the fight Moore was free to throw punches at Cooke's unprotected head while Cooke spent the fight trying to pry Moore's helmet off.
Brash is a spot picker. However, here is his fight card. http://dropyourgloves.com/fights/fgh...r=478&League=1
Not bad.

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Brash is a spot picker. However, here is his fight card. http://dropyourgloves.com/fights/fgh...r=478&League=1
Not bad.
i'm talking about him recently... like the past 2 seasons. there are very few enforcers on his list, and more of the middleweights and energy guys. he used to be a valuable enforcer. now however.....

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i'm talking about him recently... like the past 2 seasons. there are very few enforcers on his list, and more of the middleweights and energy guys. he used to be a valuable enforcer. now however.....
When was the last time you saw him play?

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Well, Brash's card in the last two years (I'll include preseason, because as far as fights go, preseason fights are just as good as regular season) includes Cairns, Langdon, Low, Peat a bunch of times (who Brash owns), Domi (who Brash also owns), Ray, Perrott, Goddard and Simon. Those are all highly legit guys. Then there are 2nd tier guys like Naz, Purinton, Boulton, McKenzie, McCarty, Nornton, Brown, Roy, McCarthy etc. That is a pretty decent card. For the league champ, mabye not so good, but again, Brash has always picked his spots, and when you have a number 2 like Fedoruk, you don't have to fight as much. The lower guys on there are generally because of Brash actually doing his job, which isn't often.

Very few guys have impressive cards this year, guys like Oliwa, Johnson, and Peters do, but a lot of heavies have some crappy cards this season. That doesn't change the fact that Brash has the ability to beat anyone, and very few guys can even stand in with him, Cairns, Laraque, and mabye a few others. His beatings of Goddard, several for Peat, Ray, his owning of Domi (though the playoff fight was more even) and his consitancy really speak for themselves. And when crappy fighters like Roy and Buchy feel the need to challenge him, well they just get destroyed.

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The fighter from Buffalo who is fighting each frigging games
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Top 10 in my humble opinion:

1) Georges Laraque
2) Matt Johnson
3) Krzysztof Oliwa
4) Andrew Peters
5) Donald Brashear
6) Jody Shelly
7) Wade Brookbank
8) Eric Cairns
9) Darcy Hordichuk
10) Doug Doull

Honorable mentions: Langdon, Neil, Low, Belak (injured)

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I didn't read the whole post but all you calgary fans claiming Oliwa as the best enforcer. PFFF! Brookbank isn't the best IMO but he one punched Oliwa and Oliwa was down for the count. I don't see much of Langdon now that hes not a Canuck but when he was with us he was definatly the best enforcer. Never fights to win? The guy wins every fight!

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oliwa just gets in the most fights, doesn't make him the king dog, just a mutt who wants attention


Cairns, Brashear, Laraque.

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P.J. Stock.. best fighter for his size

agee pj was the heart and soul of the bruins but he can not play hockey to save his job, literally. instead we have to fill the role with friggin rejects and has beens like oliwa, mccarthy. all homerism aside i dont mind doull cuz he knows what the hell his role is. sullivan doesnt use him all that often but even when he isnt stopping punches with his face (which is his job) he seems to skate fast enough and plays his pyhsical role. mccarthy wanted to become a different type wrestler i mean player and oliwa was a reclaimation project of ftoreks and we all know how that turned out. doull is fine in beantown and if not the bruins still own stockers rights if they wanna work it out for him to come home and get his loyal face bashed in again.

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When was the last time you saw him play?
Philly/Ottawa line brawl where everybody took a dance partner but him. poor Donald Gretzky didn't want to recieve his 3rd fighting major.

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Philly/Ottawa line brawl where everybody took a dance partner but him. poor Donald Gretzky didn't want to recieve his 3rd fighting major.
You mean the brawl that started because Brashear challenged Ray, busted his face open, and then two Senators were all over him as he was being escorted off the ice by the refs?

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Q. Who's the best enforcer this year?

A. Whichever team's players had the fewest cheapshots taken at them. Fighting is not the mark of a great enforcer. An enforcer's #1 task is to ensure that his teammates, especially star players, are protected, and no one takes liberties with them.

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I didn't read the whole post but all you calgary fans claiming Oliwa as the best enforcer. PFFF! Brookbank isn't the best IMO but he one punched Oliwa and Oliwa was down for the count. I don't see much of Langdon now that hes not a Canuck but when he was with us he was definatly the best enforcer. Never fights to win? The guy wins every fight!
To be fair, that's the only fight that Oliwa has lost decisively.

He's not a top enforcer, but he's got to be in the top 5 at least.

I'd take Matt Johnson or Georges Laraque as the "best" enforcer

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Q. Who's the best enforcer this year?

A. Whichever team's players had the fewest cheapshots taken at them. Fighting is not the mark of a great enforcer. An enforcer's #1 task is to ensure that his teammates, especially star players, are protected, and no one takes liberties with them.
I agree, and that's one of the reasons I disagree with people who have Georges Laraque at the top of their lists. As a fighter, Georges is right up there, but as an enforcer, I don't think he's an effective deterent. By now, people around the league have probably figured out that Georges is just too nice to be effective in that capacity. If you make the Oilers mad, Georges is not going to come over and pummel your head in. He might come over and issue a gentlemanly challenge, if he thinks you're in his weight class. Otherwise, the job of sticking up for team-mates is more likely to fall to one of the Oiler's middleweights like Jason Smith or Steve Staios.

Georges has been playing great since the all-star break, but I'm still not sure about him as an enforcer.

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