TKG, what exactly makes you think Carcillo should get PP time? Has he earned ANYTHING?! He plays half-assed, afraid, and slow. He has 3 goals on the YEAR, none with the Flyers. His whopping 4 assists for us is enough for him to earn a spot on the PP.
I mean really, you keep saying how people are not giving you anything valid against Carcillo, but please give me your argument FOR him, and who he is better than on the PP.
Didnt he try and say he was better than Richards or some ****?
EDIT: It was if Richards played Carcillos minutes and no PP time he'd have the same amount of points as Carcillo had. Ooooooooooooook.
Didnt he try and say he was better than Richards or some ****?
He said Richards would only have 32 points this year if it wasn't for special teams. He also said some about Giroux. You know the guy that has 9 goals this year in about 35 games, if that. Compared to Carcillo's 3.
TKG, what exactly makes you think Carcillo should get PP time?
Wow, I never said he should be on the PP. I'm saying you are considering him unproductive even though he plays 1/3 the ice time and 0 PP time. If he was given the same opportunities as a Simon Gagne or Jeff Carter, then his productivity would be much higher than you would think.
He said Richards would only have 32 points this year if it wasn't for special teams. He also said some about Giroux. You know the guy that has 9 goals this year in about 35 games, if that. Compared to Carcillo's 3.
32 points if he played the same minutes with 0 PP time. I took the time to calculate it, and you can't even read it properly? Hmm.
Wow, I never said he should be on the PP. I'm saying you are considering him unproductive even though he plays 1/3 the ice time and 0 PP time. If he was given the same opportunities as a Simon Gagne or Jeff Carter, then his productivity would be much higher than you would think.
Im gonna jump in here and disagree. There is a factor here called talent we need to look at. Gagne, Crater, Richards have more offensive talent than Carcillo. Put Carcillo on the first line and on the first PP unit, he may score 20 goals. May. Gagne, and Carter have scored 40+ goal seasons. Richards has had 80+ points. Carcillos game isnt to score, hes a pest, a checker. Carcillo will never be a player like Gagne or Carter. Never. And Gagne and Carter will never be a Carcillo. You're trying to fit square pegs into round holes now....
Im gonna jump in here and disagree. There is a factor here called talent we need to look at. Gagne, Crater, Richards have more offensive talent than Carcillo. Put Carcillo on the first line and on the first PP unit, he may score 20 goals. May. Gagne, and Carter have scored 40+ goal seasons. Richards has had 80+ points. Carcillos game isnt to score, hes a pest, a checker. Carcillo will never be a player like Gagne or Carter. Never. And Gagne and Carter will never be a Carcillo. You're trying to fit square pegs into round holes now....
That "talent" has led to how many goals in the playoffs?
You are overrating the "stars" in this league. The players are much closer in close level than you think. The main difference is ice time and PP time.
Lets do some basic calculations. Carcillo gets probably 1/2 the ice time (if that) of the top 1-2 lines. He also gets 0 PP time or PK time. It's a very fair assumption to say that his output would increase by at least twice his current output if he was given first line time and special teams time.
Currently he has 45 points in 149 games, so given these new opportunities he could very feasibly average 2 points every 3 games. That would be around 55 points per year. Mike Richards is currently averaging 65 points per year for his NHL career.
Wow, I never said he should be on the PP. I'm saying you are considering him unproductive even though he plays 1/3 the ice time and 0 PP time. If he was given the same opportunities as a Simon Gagne or Jeff Carter, then his productivity would be much higher than you would think.
Oh really? He's no phenomenal puck handler, passer, or sniper, so forget taking a role of Carter or Gagne. He's no QB so stay off the point. That leaves the front of the net.
Daniel Carcillo: 5'11" 202 lbs.
Mike Knuble : 6'3" 230 lbs.
Scott Hartnell : 6'2" 210 lbs
He's smaller than both the guys we have for screening and jamming in pucks around the net, and both these guys have around 25+ goals on the year.
Did he play the PP in Phoenix? If not, there is a reason bud because there are way less PP specialists on that team than ours. If he did, well he still put up crappy numbers.
That "talent" has led to how many goals in the playoffs?
You are overrating the "stars" in this league. The players are much closer in close level than you think. The main difference is ice time and PP time.
Lets do some basic calculations. Carcillo gets probably 1/2 the ice time (if that) of the top 1-2 lines. He also gets 0 PP time or PK time. It's a very fair assumption to say that his output would increase by at least twice his current output if he was given first line time and special teams time.
Currently he has 45 points in 149 games, so given these new opportunities he could very feasibly average 2 points every 3 games. That would be around 55 points per year. Mike Richards is currently averaging 65 points per year for his NHL career.
Not so far off.
Richards and Carter started off playing 3rd line minutes. Their career numbers have been going up every year they've been in the league. That average doesnt really mean anything right now. Who knows if Carter is gonna consistantly put up 40 goals a year (i dont think he will).
BTFW its been 2 games. 3 different goal scorers (one being GAGNE a STAR PLAYER). I dont care whos scoring goals, as long as they score. this team has many guys capable of scoring (including Carcillo) its that certain players (including Carcillo) dont play smart.
Richards and Carter started off playing 3rd line minutes. Their career numbers have been going up every year they've been in the league. That average doesnt really mean anything right now. Who knows if Carter is gonna consistantly put up 40 goals a year (i dont think he will).
Yea and look at their numbers for when they were playing 3rd line minutes...
That "talent" has led to how many goals in the playoffs?
You are overrating the "stars" in this league. The players are much closer in close level than you think. The main difference is ice time and PP time.
Lets do some basic calculations. Carcillo gets probably 1/2 the ice time (if that) of the top 1-2 lines. He also gets 0 PP time or PK time. It's a very fair assumption to say that his output would increase by at least twice his current output if he was given first line time and special teams time.
Currently he has 45 points in 149 games, so given these new opportunities he could very feasibly average 2 points every 3 games. That would be around 55 points per year. Mike Richards is currently averaging 65 points per year for his NHL career.
Not so far off.
TOI is NOT the only factor to look at. Get real man. Daniel Carcillo is not zoned in on by other teams to cover closely. If Carcillo gets opportunities, it's because he is set up or playing against their inferior lines. When Mike Richards steps out there, he's playing against Evgeni Malkin. Now, I know Malkin is almost as good as Carcillo, but still it's tough.
So Carcillo's talent is close to Richards and Carters over 82 games?
Closer than you think.
So instead of getting upset at a person playing 3 minutes per game, maybe you fellas should be outraged by people playing nearly half of the game and not doing jack squat.
TOI is NOT the only factor to look at. Get real man. Daniel Carcillo is not zoned in on by other teams to cover closely. If Carcillo gets opportunities, it's because he is set up or playing against their inferior lines. When Mike Richards steps out there, he's playing against Evgeni Malkin. Now, I know Malkin is almost as good as Carcillo, but still it's tough.
You put way too much emphasis on ice time.
Good teams cycle lines and go up against anybody and make the opposition counter their lines. This is what Philly should be doing but they aren't.
But they arent third line players. Carcillo is. Put Carcillo on a top line and he puts up 30 maybe 40 points. Carter and Richards put up 80+.
As you can see, going from 3rd line to 1st line improved their point output by nearly double.
Just check out their junior stats with roughly the same ice time and you can see how close it would be in the NHL given fair ice time.
Either way, start getting pissed at Hartnell and Briere for being useless. Especially Briere who should only play on the PP because he is useless 5on5 and completely threw off the Flyers line combinations.
So instead of getting upset at a person playing 3 minutes per game, maybe you fellas should be outraged by people playing nearly half of the game and not doing jack squat.
I do agree with your idea of cycling lines better and cutting Richards and Carters TOI down, I do agree.
To say Carcillo is close in talent to Carter and Richards is ludicrous
I do agree with your idea of cycling lines better and cutting Richards and Carters TOI down, I do agree.
To say Carcillo is close in talent to Carter and Richards is ludicrous
Not saying that, though. Just that the NHL relies on PP time for scoring and as we all know that lots of PP points don't necessarily mean you did a lot of work. It's like using counterfeit cash and paying for a hamburger with it...not the value of a real goal.
