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03-18-2004, 08:27 AM
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RYDER: Leading Rookie Candidate!!!

According to NHL.com Ryder is the number 1 leading candidate for the Calder Cup, at this point in the season!!!


http://www.nhl.com/intheslot/read/fe...ker031704.html

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Calder Trophy. Cup = Ultimate prize for the AHL.

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I know I look like a homer coming here and posting this, but even though Ryder has had a great rookie season, don't you think Andrew Raycroft is more deserving?

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I know I look like a homer coming here and posting this, but even though Ryder has had a great rookie season, don't you think Andrew Raycroft is more deserving?
I agree, Raycroft should win as he has been Boston's MVP. At this point I would say Raycroft is clearly the top rookie and Ryder is clearly the 2nd best rookie as Hunter has slowed down considerably.

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According to NHL.com Ryder is the number 1 leading candidate for the Calder Cup, at this point in the season!!!


http://www.nhl.com/intheslot/read/fe...ker031704.html
The fact that they used Ribeiro's offensive stats under Ryder's name should tell you all you need to know about the knowledge of the person who wrote this article.

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I would definetly like it to see Ryder win the Calder, though, Raycroft will probably get it. He is having a stellar year in front of Boston's net, he's already better than a lots of vets.(We could say the same about ryder... )

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I would definetly like it to see Ryder win the Calder, though, Raycroft will probably get it. He is having a stellar year in front of Boston's net, he's already better than a lots of vets.(We could say the same about ryder... )
I hate the bruins!!!








but a little less than the laffs.


well.. what can i say, Maybe Ryder can cause a surprise who knows.

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I agree, Raycroft should win as he has been Boston's MVP. At this point I would say Raycroft is clearly the top rookie and Ryder is clearly the 2nd best rookie as Hunter has slowed down considerably.
As biased as I am towards the Habs... I agree. Statistically, compared across positions, Raycroft is rated much higher than Ryder. Raycroft is top 10 in most (if not all) important goaltending statistics. Ryder is not rated that high for any attacking forward.

Ryder is having an awesome year... Raycroft is having an unbelievable one!

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I'll have to go with Raycroft as well.

Raycroft has great stats and is extremely important to his team. Ryder's stats are pretty good, but not spectacular, and while he's a big pice of the Habs pie, I don't think he's had the impact that Raycroft has had with the B's.

But Ryder definately deserves 2nd. Hunter has cooled off and Pitkanen isn't more than a 5th or 6th D for Philly right now.

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As biased as I am towards the Habs... I agree. Statistically, compared across positions, Raycroft is rated much higher than Ryder. Raycroft is top 10 in most (if not all) important goaltending statistics. Ryder is not rated that high for any attacking forward.

Ryder is having an awesome year... Raycroft is having an unbelievable one!

Thank you all for being so honest. Being a Bruins fan in Montreal, i can truly tell you that Rayzor deserves the Calder. However, i will tell you this: Ryder is very impressive. He's having such a great season for you guys. If Rayzor weren't in the running, then i would gladly concur that Ryder has been the best rookie all season long

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How do you pick between a goalie and a winger ? I guess you ask who has been dominant. Raycroft has saved the Bruins because a lot of 'experts' felt they would miss the playoffs because of weak goaltending. The Habs were an afterthought because of a lack of scoring,size and grit off the wing. Seems everyone was wrong. I'll pick Ryder, but who should win, how the hell should I know, I'm just a lowly goatkeeper.

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Ryder is having an awesome year... Raycroft is having an unbelievable one!
That pretty much sums it up for me too. I didn't want to take anything away from Ryder, because from what I've seen this season, I have been very impressed. Among things, the guy sure does have a lot of hockey sense.

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but who should win, how the hell should I know, I'm just a lowly goatkeeper.
Lowly goatkeeper?????

You are the Keeper of the Sacred Pretzel!!!!!!!

If you think Ryder should win, then Ryder SHOULD win!!!!! The pretzel will see to it!

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Raycroft numbers are impressive but don't forget thant we are in a defensive erea and many goalies avec a save % over .920 and a moy under 2.30 ... amazing...


Raycroft , Boston ( 48 GP, 23-16-8, 1.99 GA, .929 SV%, 3 SO.) Brodeur , New Jersey ( 63 GP, 32-22-10, 2.04 GA, .916 SV%, 10 SO.) Nabokov , San Jose ( 48 GP, 23-18-7, 2.18 GA, .922 SV%, 8 SO.) Luongo , Florida ( 62 GP, 21-28-13, 2.30 GA, .933 SV%, 7 SO ) Aebischer, Colorado (54 GP, 28-15-9, 2.07 GAA, .925 save %, 4 SO); Tomas Vokoun, Nashville (61 GP, 30-24-7, 2.56 GAA, .908 save %, 3 SO); Jose Theodore, Montreal (59 GP, 29-24-5, 2.16 GAA, .923 save %, 6 SO); Dwayne Roloson, Minnesota (41 GP, 15-16-10, 1.91 GAA, .932 save %, 4 SO); Ed Belfour, Toronto (49 GP, 28-16-5, 2.13 GAA, .915 save %, 7 SO).

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I'm a big Habs fan and a Newfoundlander. Ryder is having a fantastic year and I scream everytime he gets a point. I have to say though that as much as I hate the Bruins, Raycroft is probably just a bit more deserving of Rookie of the Year.

It is easy to make a case that Raycroft is much more deserving but if the people voting look at where Ryder has come from, I doubt it will be that easy a decision.

I think also that if Ryder can turn it up a notch and reach 70 points, he will make the decision even harder.

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That pretty much sums it up for me too. I didn't want to take anything away from Ryder, because from what I've seen this season, I have been very impressed. Among things, the guy sure does have a lot of hockey sense.
Up until the last 20 games or so I thought that Raycroft was going to easily walk away with it but as it stands right now, I think it is very very close with a slight edge to Raycroft. Look at it this way: Ryder is poised to win the rookie scoring race; was rookie of the month for February and runner up for this award for consecutive months of December and January; playing his best hockey of the season right now while continuing to improve. If he gets rookie of the month for March (and is probably currently the leading cadidate) then it will be very difficult to deny him the Calder trophy. His consistency this year is nothing short of outstanding for a rookie!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying that Raycroft isn't having an outstanding season but rather that it will probably be extremely difficult to pick a winner between the two at the end of the seaon.

Is it possible to have two winners??

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Ryder

You can say that the Bruins were picked not to make the playoffs because of their goaltending but the same can be said about Montreal. Most people said they would finish 10-13 spot in the east with questionable goaltending and they can't score!! Ryders been scoring.

Raycroft has been great this year and honestly its tough to compare a goalie to a winger. Raycroft should win but he's only played 48 games and at the start of the season he played against the lower skilled teams as Potvin played quite often.
The fact that Boston in a very good team should have some affect on the decision. Osgood won a Cup on a good team!! Im not taking anything away from Raycroft, just making some points, and I think its Raycroft 1 and Ryder 2 in my opinion.

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Is it possible to have two winners??
No, but we can agree that they're both terrific players with great careers in front of them!

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I find it hard to call Raycroft a rookie, I know he mets all the requirements to be considered a NHL rookie. But he played 15 games in 2000 and we are in 2004 so IMO he is no rookie. Not to take away from his great season because he has been amazing this year.

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"Ryder is second on the Canadiens in scoring, ahead of even superstar Saku Koivu, who has three fewer points."

I like that NHL.com is calling Koivu a Superstar!!

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"Ryder is second on the Canadiens in scoring, ahead of even superstar Saku Koivu, who has three fewer points."

I like that NHL.com is calling Koivu a Superstar!!

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Well after all he managed to get into the NHL's top 30 point scorers despite missing 14 games and having trouble in his first games back from the shoulder injury (or was it a knee injury?). To me, it's showing how good of a season he's having, IMO.


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I know I look like a homer coming here and posting this, but even though Ryder has had a great rookie season, don't you think Andrew Raycroft is more deserving?
Yes you are being a homer. But Raycroft is perfectly deserving. I think if this would be a good year to have co-winners. Lets face it, Ryder and Raycroft are miles ahead of anyone else i the race, and to say one has been etter than the other only comes down to personal opinion. Ryder is a forward, raycroft a goalie. You can't really compare the two really. You just have to recognize that they were both great. When Nabby won, there was no real forward choice, but Ryder is having an outstanding season.

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I'll have to go with Raycroft as well.

Raycroft has great stats and is extremely important to his team. Ryder's stats are pretty good, but not spectacular, and while he's a big pice of the Habs pie, I don't think he's had the impact that Raycroft has had with the B's.
But Ryder definately deserves 2nd.
Let's try this then: compare them against their peers. I've run the stats, and as it turns out there are 45 "regular" goalies, and almost 700 "regular" players (898 total with atleast 1 game). Now, if you take Ryder, he ranks 32nd of 700 in points (top 5%), 46th in goals (top 7%), 30th in assists (top 4.3%), and 174th in +/- (top 25%) of all regular players. Even if you exclude defensemen, he stays in the top 10% of all comparable players.

Next is Raycroft: 6th of 45 in GAA (top 13%), 4th in save pct (top 9%), 10th in wins (top 22%), and 18th in shutouts (top 40%).

As you can see, Ryder is in the higher percentile of comparable players than raycroft is. Remember that this is a goalie favoured league (as explored above on this board), and people who rank highly in scoring must be doing a great job. So, up to now I would argue that Ryder deserves the award. Remember, this isn't team MVP voting, this is top rookie PERIOD voting. So RAYCROFT definitely deserves 2nd.

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I find it hard to call Raycroft a rookie, I know he mets all the requirements to be considered a NHL rookie. But he played 15 games in 2000 and we are in 2004 so IMO he is no rookie. Not to take away from his great season because he has been amazing this year.
This also has to be considered. Could you imagine if someone like Kovalchuck or Heatley was kept in the minors "developing" until he was 25 and then unleashed on the league??? We wouldn't be talking about Ryder or Raycroft, that's for damn sure.
This could be even truer with defensemen, as they usually don't hit full stride until 25 or 26.


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This also has to be considered. Could you imagine if someone like Kovalchuck or Heatley was kept in the minors "developing" until he was 25 and then unleashed on the league??? We wouldn't be talking about Ryder or Raycroft, that's for damn sure.
This could be even truer with defensemen, as they usually don't hit full stride until 25 or 26.
Ryder will turn 24yrs. old on Marck 31. His stats are fantastic (especially the way you broke it down). But the best thing Ryder has going for him is the fact that he loves to play the game. If you carry the passion, the skills will definitely develop. If the writers look at the overall picture like his desire, his consistency, his unbelievable work ethic, and his stats, which will definitely go over 60pts, I think he really has a shot at the Calder. But, he would be the first to tell you its the team that he is focused on.

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