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04-20-2009, 09:46 PM
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Do players get paid for the playoffs?

Just wondering if the players get paid for the playoffs and how. I'm sure they do and I have heard theories that some players have it in their contracts and that the players get bonuses, and that they get a percentage of the revenue received by the team. If this is covered elsewhere I apologize and feel free MODS to delete the thread and put me in the right direction! Thank you.

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There is no regular paycheck.

However, the league does provide a pot of money (largest pot to cup winners, smaller pots, progressively, to other conference winner, semi-final winners, quarter-final winners, and quarter-final losers). This get divided up.

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I also think that the owners and the sponsors of the teams pay out (doesn't have to be money) some kind of bonus.
What would that be, and why wouldn't it be a cap violation?

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What would that be, and why wouldn't it be a cap violation?
well firstly, the cap does not exist in the playoffs.

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How about an extra motivation for the players? Cars, money (still,) a house/ appartment, vactions or whatnot sponsored by the owners (sponsors or both.)
Just for my own clarification, do you believe that these transactions occur under the table?

And for the person saying that the cap doesn't exist in the playoffs, does that mean that it doesn't exist in the offseason, either?

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I think that the norm in most competitions (and not it's not just hockey.) I also think that the owners and the sponsors of the teams pay out (doesn't have to be money) some kind of bonus.
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How about an extra motivation for the players? Cars, money (still,) a house/ appartment, vactions or whatnot sponsored by the owners (sponsors or both.)
Uhhh - nope.

A player may not receive anything of value from the team (or any team affiliated entity) other than his salary and bonuses explicitly listed in his SPC.

Any other bonuses paid out by the team or sponsors or "extra motivation" are blatant violations of the CBA and textbook examples of Cap Circumvention - exposing the team and player to the draconian sanctions available to the league under Article 26 of the CBA (including fines of up to $5M, forfeiture of draft picks, voiding of contracts, and suspension of GMs and other team employees).

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There is no regular paycheck.

However, the league does provide a pot of money (largest pot to cup winners, smaller pots, progressively, to other conference winner, semi-final winners, quarter-final winners, and quarter-final losers). This get divided up.
Yea, I remember reading an article in a local Vancouver paper just before the playoffs that touched on this. I think it said that the the quarter finals losers each got $7500 while the stanley cup winners I think got $50,000 each or somewhere.

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i dug this up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...les/know16.htm

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Uhhh - nope.

A player may not receive anything of value from the team (or any team affiliated entity) other than his salary and bonuses explicitly listed in his SPC.

Any other bonuses paid out by the team or sponsors or "extra motivation" are blatant violations of the CBA and textbook examples of Cap Circumvention - exposing the team and player to the draconian sanctions available to the league under Article 26 of the CBA (including fines of up to $5M, forfeiture of draft picks, voiding of contracts, and suspension of GMs and other team employees).
Wasn't there some kind of stipulation as to total amount of money for post season awards in the CBA, paid by the league? Those awards include individual awards and I didn't total it up, but it seemed like the playoff pot was not very big because most of the total pot (~$6.5mil) was taken for individual awards.

For others,
It would be instructive to go to the CBA to look at the defined awards for the players that are paid out by the league. It not only includes monies for finalists to the big awards like the Richard but for others who attain things like top 10 TOI for defensemen.

There is a stipulation in the CBA that teams can provide up to $7.5k value in gifts to each player, but that is the limit for outside of the contract payments by the teams.

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There is a stipulation in the CBA that teams can provide up to $7.5k value in gifts to each player, but that is the limit for outside of the contract payments by the teams.
This is usually the total of gifts for 1000th game, retirement, etc.

(And this would also include the cost of any Stanley Cup ring players are given.)

(Of course, there may be "performance" bonuses for players if the team reaches certain levels of play offs, like Cup Finals in addition to any league pot divided.)

This money is from the league (not the team or sponsors) so is not included as part of the cap calculations.

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I'm sure the travel, hotel, food, are all being paided by the team anyways.

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Having the chance to win the Stanley cup not enough motivation that you'd have to push them with extra cash?

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Having the chance to win the Stanley cup not enough motivation that you'd have to push them with extra cash?
Steve Shutt said of Scotty Bowman, "For 364 days of the year you hated him, and on the 365th, you cashed your Stanley Cup check." Why do you suppose he said that, and not "you lift up the Cup?"

For one, only one team can win the cup so 15 teams will have up to 28 games without winning. Secondly, they actually make people pay to get in the arena for the playoff games, so why shouldn't the players get some of that? It is still a job.

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Steve Shutt said of Scotty Bowman, "For 364 days of the year you hated him, and on the 365th, you cashed your Stanley Cup check." Why do you suppose he said that, and not "you lift up the Cup?"

For one, only one team can win the cup so 15 teams will have up to 28 games without winning. Secondly, they actually make people pay to get in the arena for the playoff games, so why shouldn't the players get some of that? It is still a job.
If players do well in the playoffs they get bigger future contracts.......the playoff revenue is for owners that build successful franchises.

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Oh so THAT explains why money grubbing Euros don't perform in the playoffs

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This is usually the total of gifts for 1000th game, retirement, etc.

(And this would also include the cost of any Stanley Cup ring players are given.)

(Of course, there may be "performance" bonuses for players if the team reaches certain levels of play offs, like Cup Finals in addition to any league pot divided.)

This money is from the league (not the team or sponsors) so is not included as part of the cap calculations.
I know you know the drill LS.

For others, performance bonuses are only on certain contracts like ELS, one-year over 35, one-year after 100 day injured year and so on.

And yes league paid bonuses are not part of cap calcs for teams.

I was truly trying to get kdb to bite and do the calc to figure what the playoff pot was after the individual awards were paid. I keep trying and screwing it up.

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If players do well in the playoffs they get bigger future contracts.......the playoff revenue is for owners that build successful franchises.
Unless you're a free agent who put up a big season on a team that didn't make the playoffs, then you get....a bigger contract. Which players got a big contract based on their playoff performance without regular season performance to back it up? The owner kind of wants you to be able to do it in the regular season first off, since that is how they make the playoffs. It's not a big leap to think someone who can do it int he regular season can in the playoffs.

I'm not saying playoff bonuses should rival regular season salaries, but it is absolutely foolish for someone to suggest a professional athlete participate in these games for absolutely nothing because of the "chance to hoist the cup" just because they think they would.

They are not playing a game the way people think they are.

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Uhhh - nope.

A player may not receive anything of value from the team (or any team affiliated entity) other than his salary and bonuses explicitly listed in his SPC.

Any other bonuses paid out by the team or sponsors or "extra motivation" are blatant violations of the CBA and textbook examples of Cap Circumvention - exposing the team and player to the draconian sanctions available to the league under Article 26 of the CBA (including fines of up to $5M, forfeiture of draft picks, voiding of contracts, and suspension of GMs and other team employees).
So the rumours of players getting playoff bonuses are false? This is from the link in the thread:

Winning the Stanley Cup is worth nearly $2 million for the members of the championship team, and the losing team will get slightly more than $1 million, according to a league representative.

The players on each team decide how to divide the money among themselves, coaches, trainers and other team staff, league representative Greg Inglis said....

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So the rumours of players getting playoff bonuses are false? This is from the link in the thread:

Winning the Stanley Cup is worth nearly $2 million for the members of the championship team, and the losing team will get slightly more than $1 million, according to a league representative.

The players on each team decide how to divide the money among themselves, coaches, trainers and other team staff, league representative Greg Inglis said....
No. Those bonuses are paid by the League, not the team - and are accounted for under League benefits.

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Originally Posted by CBA Article 50.3
50.3 Benefits, Preliminary Benefits.
(a) "Benefits."
(i) "Benefits" means:
(A) The aggregate amount of all sums paid by the League
and/or the Clubs (including any costs associated with the
administration and provision of such benefits) for, to, or on
behalf of present Players and present Players who become
former Players for:

...

(3) Playoff Pool amounts paid by the League, provided
that for each League Year, the parties have agreed
that the total Playoff Pool amounts to be paid by the
League shall be $6.5 million, all of which shall be
included in Benefits
; plus

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On the subject of cap circumvention, when Crosby lived at Mario's house for 3 years(?), was that a cap violation? Or did Crosby have to prove he was paying rent?

Small beans, I'm sure, but taking an owners plane to fly in a player isn't okay anymore right?

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On the subject of cap circumvention, when Crosby lived at Mario's house for 3 years(?), was that a cap violation? Or did Crosby have to prove he was paying rent?

Small beans, I'm sure, but taking an owners plane to fly in a player isn't okay anymore right?
That is not a cap circumvention..........happens all the time league wide.

- Pat Kane lived at Stan Bowman's house year 1
- Erik Johnson lived at Blues staff member Al Macinnis's house year 1
- Dustin Byfuglien lived at Rick Dudley's house year 1 (at the time Duds was Asst. GM of Chgo)
Edm has flown guys from the minors to NHL games in Katz private jet this year.

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That is not a cap circumvention..........happens all the time league wide.

- Pat Kane lived at Stan Bowman's house year 1
- Erik Johnson lived at Blues staff member Al Macinnis's house year 1
- Dustin Byfuglien lived at Rick Dudley's house year 1 (at the time Duds was Asst. GM of Chgo)
Edm has flown guys from the minors to NHL games in Katz private jet this year.
Do they pay rent though. Does this only apply to younger players? I seem to remember one former GM saying that he used his owners personal jet to fly a potential free agent to sign with his then current club. Under today's rules, that doesn't 'fly' anymore.

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Do they pay rent though. Does this only apply to younger players? I seem to remember one former GM saying that he used his owners personal jet to fly a potential free agent to sign with his then current club. Under today's rules, that doesn't 'fly' anymore.
If they're staying with an employee of the team, or someone that could be considered to be housing the player on behalf of the team ownership/management, then yes they they have to pay rent or it could be a cap circumvention.

It's been frequently stated in media coverage that Crosby has been paying rent to Lemieux while living at his house.

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This is the reason why playoffs are often cited as the make or break point for teams because they don't pay the player salaries so it's their biggest opportunity to profit.

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This is the reason why playoffs are often cited as the make or break point for teams because they don't pay the player salaries so it's their biggest opportunity to profit.
Although, the playoff teams are required to contribute to revenue sharing - the equivalent of a sold out game (at regular season prices) for each home playoff game - so their net revenue for a playoff game is just the incremental revenues due to increased playoff ticket prices plus any add'l game day arena revenue generated.

edit: see mouser's more correct response below.


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