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04-20-2009, 10:01 PM
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Should they stay or should they go?

Well folks, here are the rfa's and ufa's for next year... and here is what I'd do with offers and salaries.

Tanguay - 3 year, 5.5M
Koivu - 2 year, 5M
Kovalev - 2 year, 4.75M
Lang - 1 year, 4.25M
Higgins - 1 year, 1.75M offer sheet
Plekanec - 1 year, 1.75M offer sheet
Chipchura - 1 year, 1M offer sheet
Kostopolous - 2 year, 1.25M
Latendresse - 1 year, 1.5M offer sheet
D'Agostini - 1 year, 1M offer sheet
Schneider - 1 year, 4.5M
Bouillon - no offer
Dandenault - no offer
Komisarek - 3 year, 4.75M
Brisebois - no offer

That brings us to 58.76M with our current salaries for next year. Then we start trying to trade, either for a good center, a solid d, or some draft picks. First up, the Kostitsyn bros. That drops about 4.06M. Then Plekachu goes for his 1.75M if he decides to take it to bring our space up to about 5.8M. Finally, I'd also consider trade options for Laraque which would also give us another 1.5M.

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04-20-2009, 10:03 PM
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What gainey must do:

-Get a coach:
Sign Komi
Sign Tanguay
Sign Kovy
Sign Koivu
Sign Higgins
Sign Schneider

Trade pleky, kost bros, Gorges and prospect for Lecavalier

Sign Big UFA defensmen: Boowmeester if possible but i would like to have beauchemin back
Sign a Top 6 UFA right winger

Tanguay Lecavalier Kovy
Lats/higgins Koivu Top 6 forward/d'agostini
Higgins/Laps Lats Pacioretty
Laraque Metro Steward

Markov Komi
Hammer Beauchemin
Schneider Weber
O'byrne

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What gainey must do:

-Get a coach:
Sign Komi
Sign Tanguay
Sign Kovy
Sign Koivu
Sign Higgins
Sign Schneider

Trade pleky, kost bros, Gorges and prospect for Lecavalier

Sign Big UFA defensmen: Boowmeester if possible but i would like to have beauchemin back
Sign a Top 6 UFA right winger

Tanguay Lecavalier Kovy
Lats/higgins Koivu Top 6 forward/d'agostini
Higgins/Laps Lats Pacioretty
Laraque Metro Steward

Markov Komi
Hammer Beauchemin
Schneider Weber
O'byrne

How much is Beauchemin going to want?
Kovalev? Koivu? Tanguay? Komi? With a salary cap that is supposed ot lower ALOT in the next year, you wont be able to afford all of them..

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04-20-2009, 10:08 PM
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I dont think Tanguay, Kovalev or Koivu have done that much to earn that kind of cash. Especially Koivu, there's no way he should get a raise. And Lang will be close to 40, that's too much for him.

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I dont think Tanguay, Kovalev or Koivu have done that much to earn that kind of cash. Especially Koivu, there's no way he should get a raise. And Lang will be close to 40, that's too much for him.
You're pretty well talking about the ONLY UFA players who performed this year and showed a little heart. I don't mind giving them small raises to keep those guys around if you're not going to blow the whole team up.

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04-20-2009, 10:11 PM
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What gainey must do:

-Get a coach:
Sign Komi
Sign Tanguay
Sign Kovy
Sign Koivu
Sign Higgins
Sign Schneider

Trade pleky, kost bros, Gorges and prospect for Lecavalier

Sign Big UFA defensmen: Boowmeester if possible but i would like to have beauchemin back
Sign a Top 6 UFA right winger

Tanguay Lecavalier Kovy
Lats/higgins Koivu Top 6 forward/d'agostini
Higgins/Laps Lats Pacioretty
Laraque Metro Steward

Markov Komi
Hammer Beauchemin
Schneider Weber
O'byrne
Ever heard of someting called the salary cap ?

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04-20-2009, 10:14 PM
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My ideal situation:

Tanguay - 4 year, 5m (or 6 year 4.75m)
Koivu - 2 year, 3m [don't argue with me, this is how much he is worth]
Kovalev - 2 year, 3m
Lang - 1 year, 2m+1m bonus
Higgins - 3 year, 2m offer sheet
Plekanec - 1 year, 1.75m offer sheet
Chipchura - 2 year, 0.9m offer sheet
Kostopolous - 2 year, 1.0m
Latendresse - 3 year, 1.5m offer sheet
D'Agostini - 2 year, 1.25m offer sheet
Schneider - 1 year, 1.5m+1.5m bonus(if not, he can walk, we have too many dmen coming up)
Bouillon - no offer
Dandenault - no offer
Komisarek - 5 year, 4.5m
Brisebois - no offer

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04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
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You're pretty well talking about the ONLY UFA players who performed this year and showed a little heart. I don't mind giving them small raises to keep those guys around if you're not going to blow the whole team up.
Just because they showed heart (which wasn't always the case, see Kovalev and Tanguay at times) doesn't mean they deserve ridiculous contracts. 50 points shouldn't get you 5 mil a year, and to be honest I sometimes question these players leadership. I'm not against resigning these players, just at the right price, especially when the cap is going down next year.

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I dont care who the hell we keep or let walk, all I want is players who show up to play every night to earn the ridiculous amounts of money they make to play a game we'd all play for free. We need someone who can score. We haven't had a legit goal scorer in well over a decade. We need defence who will pay the price and work their ***** off in the corners and actually know how to break out. Plus we need a vet to teach price what it takes to A) survive in montreal and B) what it takes to survive in this league. This team truly breaks my heart.

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04-20-2009, 10:20 PM
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Overpaying for
Lang
Schneider
Chipchura
D'Agostini

Chips and D'Agostini are right now on 2 way contract. They will take less just to get a one way deal.

Lang and Schneider don't have much left to give and I can't see anyone overpaying too much.

Kosto is very replaceable and for that kind of money he is. I like the guy, but that's too much money. With everyone healthy, Kosto is a 4th liner. We can pay a lot of people $.75M not to score.

Hopefully Higgins and Plecs rebound from this bad year, next year contract year, most do better. Just not on this team this year.

Koivu and Kovalev, it's all up to them. Hard to just let them go if we can't replace them and there isn't much there in the UFA pool to replace them. You can make offers to Hossa, the Sedins, Gaborik, but it doesn't mean they will come. Doesn't mean Koivu or Kovalev will come back either. Both have had to put up with stuff they weren't happy with in the past.

Lats will get a bit of a raise. Probably a one year deal.

Dandy is gone. I can't see him wanting to comeback.

Bouillon, I wouldn't be surprise to see him back.

Tanguay, I don't see him being worth what he made this year, but I don't see him signing anywhere for much less.

Komisarek, even with his bad season, he'll still get a good contract from someone if not us.

Breezy, hopefully this is the year he finally hangs them up. But you never know.

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04-20-2009, 10:21 PM
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Honestly, I want to change the face of the team. I want a new coach, and I also want a new GM. I like Gainey and all, but I think we need something new. We don't have to start from scratch. We already have some interesting pieces that we can build on.

Tanguay is the guy that I'd sign for sure. You have to sign all the younger players from Chipchura to Higgins. If you don't want to keep some of them, you trade them. Higgins and Plekanec won't be able to ask for much so we might see how it turns out for them. I also would re-sign Schneider.

Komisarek, well, depends on how much he wants. We can't justify giving him 4+ millions at this point. As for Koivu, I like him, but I think it's time to move on. Same thing with Kovalev.

Obviously, we would have to make a few trades to remold the team...but we need a change...

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Just because they showed heart (which wasn't always the case, see Kovalev and Tanguay at times) doesn't mean they deserve ridiculous contracts. 50 points shouldn't get you 5 mil a year, and to be honest I sometimes question these players leadership. I'm not against resigning these players, just at the right price, especially when the cap is going down next year.
Kovalev and the coach obviously didn't see eye to eye, how many points did Kovy get after Carbo left? The guy is still a contender at his age. Point made.

And besides, just because someone scored 50 points doesn't mean they're a 50 point player. Remember, Koivu missed 17 games this year. And you have to give him a little credit - the guy is the longest serving member of the Habs, the Captain, and always works hard. And you want to cut his pay? Right. He'll walk and we'll get nothing.

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1-Get a new GM.

2-Get the most competent coach you can find, regardless of his french-speaking abilities.

3-Re-sign Koivu and Kovalev, the are the heart of the team and carried us to the playoffs.

4-Offer Komi 3.5m/yr and let him walk if he wants more. Markov made him look a million times better than he actually is.

5-See if you can get 1yr incentive-based contracts with Lang, Schneider & Dandy

6-Re-sign RFAs.

7-Try to sign forward UFAs and go to the trade route if it doesn't work.

Let Tanguay walk, he's too soft and disappeared when we needed him most.

Let Kosto walk, he's useless, same with Bouillon & Brisebois.

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Komisarek at more than $4 mil is a joke. Someone will offer him more, but is there a more limited offensive defenceman who turns the puck over so often, make 4 mil?
Yes, he does deliver hits and gets himself out of position.
If one wants a punishing defenseman, why not move Laracque to the blue line (not really!!)?

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My ideal situation:

Tanguay - 4 year, 5m (or 6 year 4.75m)
Koivu - 2 year, 3m [don't argue with me, this is how much he is worth]
Kovalev - 2 year, 3m
Lang - 1 year, 2m+1m bonus
Higgins - 3 year, 2m offer sheet
Plekanec - 1 year, 1.75m offer sheet
Chipchura - 2 year, 0.9m offer sheet
Kostopolous - 2 year, 1.0m
Latendresse - 3 year, 1.5m offer sheet
D'Agostini - 2 year, 1.25m offer sheet
Schneider - 1 year, 1.5m+1.5m bonus(if not, he can walk, we have too many dmen coming up)
Bouillon - no offer
Dandenault - no offer
Komisarek - 5 year, 4.5m
Brisebois - no offer
I was going to argue with you...good thing you told me not to, I was unaware of your universal knowledge

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Well folks, here are the rfa's and ufa's for next year... and here is what I'd do with offers and salaries.

Tanguay - 3 year, 5.5M
Koivu - 2 year, 5M
Kovalev - 2 year, 4.75M
Lang - 1 year, 4.25M
Higgins - 1 year, 1.75M offer sheet
Plekanec - 1 year, 1.75M offer sheet
Chipchura - 1 year, 1M offer sheet
Kostopolous - 2 year, 1.25M
Latendresse - 1 year, 1.5M offer sheet
D'Agostini - 1 year, 1M offer sheet

Schneider - 1 year, 4.5M
Bouillon - no offer
Dandenault - no offer
Komisarek - 3 year, 4.75M
Brisebois - no offer

That brings us to 58.76M with our current salaries for next year. Then we start trying to trade, either for a good center, a solid d, or some draft picks. First up, the Kostitsyn bros. That drops about 4.06M. Then Plekachu goes for his 1.75M if he decides to take it to bring our space up to about 5.8M. Finally, I'd also consider trade options for Laraque which would also give us another 1.5M.
The only players I really want back are in bold. I like Kovalev, but he's too unpredictable and goes into slumps too often. The Kostitsyn Bros. have no work ethics. Sure they got talent, but they have to go.. Package them in a deal.. Ok throw in Koivu if he's willing to sign for less... He want's to win but cannot do it on his own..

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04-20-2009, 10:23 PM
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Goodbye:
Gainey
Komisarek
Plekanec
Jarvis
Schneider
Brisebois

Welcome back:
Tanguay
Koivu
Kovalev
Higgins

Retire?
Lang


Hello:
Beauchemin
Center
Depth d
Competent GM
Actual head coach
Actual d coach

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Kovalev and the coach obviously didn't see eye to eye, how many points did Kovy get after Carbo left? The guy is still a contender at his age. Point made.

And besides, just because someone scored 50 points doesn't mean they're a 50 point player. Remember, Koivu missed 17 games this year. And you have to give him a little credit - the guy is the longest serving member of the Habs, the Captain, and always works hard. And you want to cut his pay? Right. He'll walk and we'll get nothing.
Sure Kovalev still has the skills to be good, i bet he still has the best hands in the league in 5 years But there is no way I could justify 4.75 million for a guy that games off like Kovalev does. Maybe him and Carbo didn't get along (by the way they seemed to be fine last year), but do you believe that a player like Kovalev will play the way he did the last 15 games of this year, all of next year for a different coach.
As for Koivu, I will always be a fan of his, but honestly, 5 Million. His playing and leading abilities are on the downswing. And props to him for being the longest serving player but that shouldn't be a reason to give an absurd raise to a player, which ties up money that could be better used trying finally to entice a decent UFA or something.

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I would:

Re-sign Kovalev - 2 yrs/8 mil
Re-sign Kostopolous - 2 yrs/2.5 mil
Re-sign Komisarek - 5 years/15.5 mil
Re-sign Lang - 1 year/3 mil
Re-sign Koivu, only if he is willing to take a ~50% paycut. - 2 yrs/4mil

Tanguay would be the only UFA forward I would let walk. Why waste 3-5 mil/yr in cap space for someone that is made of glass?

Bouillon, Dandenault, Schneider, Brisebois should all walk.

Komisarek - 5 years/ 17.5 mil

I would heavily pursue Lecavalier, definately would not over-pay though.

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Out of just our UFA's, I sign Kosto, Kovalev and maybe Lang for 1 year. Komi can stay for 3.5 million. Other than that, I have no interest in any of our other UFAs.

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Our UFA's:

 INOUTCAPTerm
TanguayX $5.5M4 yrs
Kovalev X  
KoivuX $4M2 yrs
LangX $3.5M1 yr
KostopoulosX $1M2 yrs
Bouillon X  
Dandenault X  
KomisarekX $3M3 yrs
SchneiderX $3M1 yr
Brisebois X  

Now this is in a perfect world. For some of them (Komo and Lang), I'd go a bit higher if need be but for most, it would be the maximum I'd offer them and I'd be willing to let them walk instead of overpaying them.

I'd do everything in my power, at just about any price, to get my hands on Vincent Lecavalier, the big center we so desperately need. If we succeed, one of Lang or Koivu wouldn't be re-signed.

I'd then unload Roman Hamrlik's salary to a team of his choice (NTC), to make room under the cap.

On other UFA's, I'd test the water for Jay Bouwmeester and I'd even sacrifice Komisarek for him. Also look into the following options (not all of them of course):
François Beauchemin ($4.5M, 4 yrs)
M-A Bergeron ($1.5M, 1 yr) ~ if Schneider doesn't re-sign
Philippe Boucher ($2M, 1 yr) ~ replacing Brisebois
Mattias Ohlund ($3.5M, 2 yrs)
Manny Malhotra ($2.5M, 3 yrs) ~ Excellent face-off man
Marian Hossa ($7.5M, 4 yrs)
Chris Neil ($2.5M, 3 yrs)
Biron, Fernandez or Garon ($1.5-$2M, 1-2 yrs) ~ veteran help for Price

I'd fire Roland Melanson and replace him with Patrick Roy or someone who could work with Price's hybrid style and give him his confidence back.

I'd try very hard to bring Larry Robinson back into the fold as a defensemen coach.

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Goodbye:
Gainey
Komisarek
Plekanec
Jarvis
Schneider
Brisebois
Melancon

Welcome back:
Tanguay
Koivu
Kovalev
Higgins

Retire?
Lang


Hello:
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Depth d
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Actual head coach
Actual d coach
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I would re-sign Kovalev, Koivu, Lang, Dandenault and Schneider for 1 year deals only.
Kovalev for 4M$
Koivu 3M$
Lang 2.5M$
Schneider 1.5M$
Dandenault 0.75M$

I'd re-sign Tanguay for a 3 years deal 4M$ a year.
Kostopoulos 2 years 1M$ a year.

Offer a 3 years 4M$ a year for Komisarek, if he doesn't accept you let him walk.

Re-sign all RFAs but try to trade Plekanec + prospect for a bigger center.

Trade Halak for a veteran Goalie or for a defenseman and sign a veteran UFA goalie.

Try to trade for Lecavalier no matter what the price is.

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It's MelanSon...

http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app?se...irect_hOD_1936

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How much is Beauchemin going to want?
Kovalev? Koivu? Tanguay? Komi? With a salary cap that is supposed ot lower ALOT in the next year, you wont be able to afford all of them..
if montreal cant afford those players and detroit can afford lidstrom zetterberg franzen hossa datsyuk rafalaski ...and more than likely filpula u gutta be kiddin me..

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