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04-24-2009, 10:02 AM
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proposal zherdev

to Nashville for the rights to Radulov

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to Nashville for the rights to Radulov
Yeah, I just posted this idea yesterday in the draft thread thats stickied.

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That is no where near enough. Also, if Sather could grab Radulov then keep Zherdev. They are good friends and I am sure would love to play together.

Zherdev

Ott 1st 09(9th), Zubov

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That is no where near enough. Also, if Sather could grab Radulov then keep Zherdev. They are good friends and I am sure would love to play together.

Zherdev

Ott 1st 09(9th), Zubov
Why would Dallas do that?

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Why would Dallas do that?
Ottawa?

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Zubov plays for Dallas...do they have Ottawa's first round pick too? Even if they did, there's no reason why Dallas would do something like that.

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Zubov plays for Dallas...do they have Ottawa's first round pick too? Even if they did, there's no reason why Dallas would do something like that.
I think he was refering to Ottawa's prospect Ilya Zubov.

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I think he was refering to Ottawa's prospect Ilya Zubov.
OK, so why would Ottawa do that?

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OK, so why would Ottawa do that?
They need secondary scoring and are in a win-now mode. A few fans thought it was a good idea on the trade rumors board a couple weeks ago or so. There was another player, I cant remember who it was, but he was a third rounder. I think they will make a pretty big splash in the UFA market for a puck-moving d-man and they were better at the end of the season after they got Comrie and Campoli. Players like Smith, Alfredsson(can never remember how to spell his name for the life of me), Comrie, Phillips, and even players like Heatley arent getting any younger. They have the skill to be very good, they just need a better supporting cast and a 2st rounder would most likely take 2-3 years to devevlop, time they dont have for this team right now.

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They need secondary scoring and are in a win-now mode. A few fans thought it was a good idea on the trade rumors board a couple weeks ago or so. There was another player, I cant remember who it was, but he was a third rounder. I think they will make a pretty big splash in the UFA market for a puck-moving d-man and they were better at the end of the season after they got Comrie and Campoli. Players like Smith, Alfredsson(can never remember how to spell his name for the life of me), Comrie, Phillips, and even players like Heatley arent getting any younger. They have the skill to be very good, they just need a better supporting cast and a 2st rounder would most likely take 2-3 years to devevlop, time they dont have for this team right now.
They're really not in a win-now mode. They missed the playoffs.

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They're really not in a win-now mode. They missed the playoffs.
Then why did they trade for players at th end of th season knowing they couldnt make the playoffs? They got off to a horrible start and had bad goaltending. They got Leclaire, Comrie and Campoli and got rid of Vermette and their 2nd 1st rounder. I dont really see much of a younger core there. Their main players are older or in their prime.

The things that killed them earlier inthe year were the following:
1) No puck-moving d-men.
---No matter how much skill they had, they couldnt get the puck up to their forwards.
2) Goaltending
---inconsistent at best last season.
3) secondary scoring
---When Heatley and Spezza werent scoring at the beginning of the season like they used to the team couldnt score any goals.

They tried to address those problems at the end of the season with the trades they made.
1) Campoli
2) Leclaire
3) Comrie

I think they will look to add to both #1 and #3 this offseason because that is a team that, if they make the playoffs next season, could make some noise just because of their top-end talent.

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They're really not in a win-now mode. They missed the playoffs.
Their new coach had them playing at a pace that would make them a playoff team. Plus they traded for Pascal Leclaire, if he's healthy they have a very nice team. Leclaire & Zherdev were teammates on Columbus.


Just sayin...

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Then why did they trade for players at th end of th season knowing they couldnt make the playoffs? They got off to a horrible start and had bad goaltending. They got Leclaire, Comrie and Campoli and got rid of Vermette and their 2nd 1st rounder. I dont really see much of a younger core there. Their main players are older or in their prime.

The things that killed them earlier inthe year were the following:
1) No puck-moving d-men.
---No matter how much skill they had, they couldnt get the puck up to their forwards.
2) Goaltending
---inconsistent at best last season.
3) secondary scoring
---When Heatley and Spezza werent scoring at the beginning of the season like they used to the team couldnt score any goals.

They tried to address those problems at the end of the season with the trades they made.
1) Campoli
2) Leclaire
3) Comrie

I think they will look to add to both #1 and #3 this offseason because that is a team that, if they make the playoffs next season, could make some noise just because of their top-end talent.
I honestly don't know. I didn't feel the moves made sense at the time. And they certainly don't make sense now. The fact is that organization is a mess. And they're not close.

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04-24-2009, 12:16 PM
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I was thinking about this yesterday. I think Upshall would fit in well here with Tortorella and he is also RFA this summer. So, something like:

To Phoenix: Zherdev
To NYR: Upshall and Phoenix's 2nd

Zherdev is more valuable than Carcillo, who was traded for Upshall and Philadelphia's 2nd. I don't know how both of them being RFAs affects things, especially with the risk Zherdev flees to Europe, so we might need to downgrade the pick to Philadelphia's 2nd or Phoenix's 3rd.

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I honestly don't know. I didn't feel the moves made sense at the time. And they certainly don't make sense now. The fact is that organization is a mess. And they're not close.
Really? At the beginning of the season I thought for sure they would be in the playoffs. I liked the deals they made and their record showed that they were moving in the right direction.

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I was thinking about this yesterday. I think Upshall would fit in well here with Tortorella and he is also RFA this summer. So, something like:

To Phoenix: Zherdev
To NYR: Upshall and Phoenix's 2nd

Zherdev is more valuable than Carcillo, who was traded for Upshall and Philadelphia's 2nd. I don't know how both of them being RFAs affects things, especially with the risk Zherdev flees to Europe, so we might need to downgrade the pick to Philadelphia's 2nd or Phoenix's 3rd.
I would probably do that. Upshall is pretty skilled and has a pretty high ceiling.

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I was thinking about this yesterday. I think Upshall would fit in well here with Tortorella and he is also RFA this summer. So, something like:

To Phoenix: Zherdev
To NYR: Upshall and Phoenix's 2nd

Zherdev is more valuable than Carcillo, who was traded for Upshall and Philadelphia's 2nd. I don't know how both of them being RFAs affects things, especially with the risk Zherdev flees to Europe, so we might need to downgrade the pick to Philadelphia's 2nd or Phoenix's 3rd.
Why would PHX do that?

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Why would PHX do that?
Zherdev is a pretty clear upgrade on the wing for them over everyone with the exception of perhaps Doan and maybe in a few years Tikhonov. I think they were not as far off from being a playoff team this year as their record would indicate. They have good goaltending and are pretty strong down the middle with absolutely no depth on the wings. Adding a player like Zherdev could give them some amount of scoring distribution that pushes them over the top. Also there is the trading relationship with Maloney. It may require we downgrade the pick though, which I would not be against.

Edit: Maybe instead of downgrading the pick, we just make it conditional on Zherdev re-signing. So the adjusted trade would be

To Phoenix: Zherdev
To NYR: Uphsall + Phoenix's 2nd round pick in 2010 (conditional upon Zherdev signing a contract this summer).


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That is no where near enough. Also, if Sather could grab Radulov then keep Zherdev. They are good friends and I am sure would love to play together.

Zherdev

Ott 1st 09(9th), Zubov
I don't get the proposal. Is it:

Ottawa's 1st (2009), Ilya Zubov

or

Steve Ott, Sergei Zubov, Dallas' 1st (2009)?

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Lol. The first one.

Although Zubov back in Blue would make me a happy person

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Sanguinetti should be part of any package. Del Z and Gilroy have made him expendable.

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As far as the "Sergei" of the Zubovs, he's still not old enough to come back yet.

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I would trade Sangs as soon as possible.

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I think Ottawa is higher on the idea of landing Ekman-Larsson or Kulikov than they would be on getting Zherdev.

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Zherdev

Ott 1st 09(9th), Zubov
If I'm Slats, I think long and hard about this if it comes across my desk.

9th overall COULD potentially land us Evander Kane, and Zubov is nothing to sneeze at.

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