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04-21-2009, 02:15 PM
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On a positive note, at least we're not the San Jose Sharks.
Is Thorton born to choke!?!? Unbelievable..

They are facing a great Ducks team but still..

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Is Thorton born to choke!?!? Unbelievable..
Seems so.

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Is Thorton born to choke!?!? Unbelievable..

They are facing a great Ducks team but still..
I almost feel bad for the guy. But I don't. Karma biting his arse from his post-game comments vs us.

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04-21-2009, 02:24 PM
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So a brand new kid who's playing a nhl play off game, who's responsible for our two goals of the night, our only goals, who played with a team that was getting outplayed by a team with a ton of chemistry. Shows that the kid was horrible?!...
2pts= 1:08 minute of IceTime.

I'm not allowed to judge the rest of his 15Min of Ice time?

What you're talking about is POTENTIAL. Yesterday, on a poor team, he showed great OFFENSIVE potential.

But if you want to rate his OVERALL game, he wasn't good at all. Bad plays and decisions all night, easily knocked off the puck.

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To me he looks like a guy that, if he continues to develop properly, would be a great bottom pairing, PP specialist D-man.

I agree with people saying he was rough defensively, a lot of it having to do with the fact that he didn't seem to have the strength to compete with some of the bigger and stronger players. What he did bring was some offensive punch and some good first passes that were, in my opinion, as good as any other D-man on the Habs last night.

Teams need this kind of player. They need a D-man that can fit on their bottom pairing, make a clean first pass and contribute on the PP. I don't think he'll be a star.

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04-21-2009, 02:31 PM
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I'm not talking about overall performance compared to veterans nor am I talking about potential. I did not mention anything about him being a good player for us in the future.

You don't expect a hunter to be able to shoot the deer on his first shot.

I'm just saying for a new kid, he played well. The step he took from ahl to nhl play off game is incredibly huge for a new comer. A new guy would have either been invisible orcaused us trouble. He played well. On the other hand if he had already about 40 games with us already I agree I would have expected more on his defensive play. But for a kid who bearly played with this team and goes pritty much right into play offs game against a very good opposing team. I feel he got the job done on his end.

Now on another note, I feel he has quite some potential. Give him a few games to build up chemistry with his teamates, get the feel of nhl level. He could end up very valuable. (this is commenting and judging on potential)

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04-21-2009, 02:35 PM
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So?.

For some reason, people will rate the player's performance based on his potential more so than his actual PERFORMANCE.

His performance yesterday was as bad as all the other Ds. Because he got 2 pts I'm gonna jump up and say the kid had a good game?

Let's forget about all the bad plays he did, nahh those don't matter because he had 2pts!
He produced for a total 1:08 but let's not look at the other 15min he played..those aren't important, he had 2 freaking points!!!

Please man, I didn't make the thread, I'm just not as narrow minded as some people here are.
The kid had 2pts, great. He's got good potential and will be useful to us in the future.
That doesn't mean he wasn't bad in his zone yesterday, and will need to work on that in the future.
My point was take his preformance into context.

He's 20 years old, playing his 5th NHL game for a team under the huge pressure of a playoff game.

Play in his own zone... well it was sure as hell better than Komisarek's. At least he made breakout passes.

What he did considering the context was way above and beyond what a 20 year old kid should be doing. To turn it around and be cynical about it is unreasonable.

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04-21-2009, 02:36 PM
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2pts= 1:08 minute of IceTime.

I'm not allowed to judge the rest of his 15Min of Ice time?

What you're talking about is POTENTIAL. Yesterday, on a poor team, he showed great OFFENSIVE potential.

But if you want to rate his OVERALL game, he wasn't good at all. Bad plays and decisions all night, easily knocked off the puck.
He was on the ice for one Bruins goal and had 2 points. If all the defencemen would have done the same we would have won.

2 points and +1 for 16 minutes of Ice time is overall a great result. He is supposed to become an offensive D - and that's what he's doing. He's not designed as a shutdown D like O'Byrne or Komisarek.

So - he had a good game in harsh conditions. Good for him. He is not a savior but a promising kid. D'agostini was too when he arrived here.

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04-21-2009, 02:45 PM
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I'm not talking about overall performance compared to veterans nor am I talking about potential. I did not mention anything about him being a good player for us in the future.

You don't expect a hunter to be able to shoot the deer on his first shot.

I'm just saying for a new kid, he played well. The step he took from ahl to nhl play off game is incredibly huge for a new comer. A new guy would have either been invisible orcaused us trouble. He played well. On the other hand if he had already about 40 games with us already I agree I would have expected more on his defensive play. But for a kid who bearly played with this team and goes pritty much right into play offs game against a very good opposing team. I feel he got the job done on his end.

Now on another note, I feel he has quite some potential. Give him a few games to build up chemistry with his teamates, get the feel of nhl level. He could end up very valuable. (this is commenting and judging on potential)
Well, it goes back to what I'm saying.
If you say he was good yesterday, you do it basing yourself solely on his offensive side.
Because no one that truly paid attention to his defensive game will say he he was good.

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04-21-2009, 02:48 PM
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Well, it goes back to what I'm saying.
If you say he was good yesterday, you do it basing yourself solely on his offensive side.
Because no one that truly paid attention to his defensive game will say he he was good.
lol dood does it just suck being you?

guy was in the OHL last year and you cant give him a ****ing break LOL.

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04-21-2009, 02:52 PM
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He was on the ice for one Bruins goal and had 2 points. If all the defencemen would have done the same we would have won.

2 points and +1 for 16 minutes of Ice time is overall a great result. He is supposed to become an offensive D - and that's what he's doing. He's not designed as a shutdown D like O'Byrne or Komisarek.

So - he had a good game in harsh conditions. Good for him. He is not a savior but a promising kid. D'agostini was too when he arrived here.
Ya, that's exactly how one is suppose to judge a DEFENSEMAN.
He's supposed to be an offensive Dman, so who cares about Defense!
Remember who's our last D that thought like that?..Souray. Remember how much heat he was getting for being so horrible in his own end.

Markov is an offensive Dman, does he overlook the defensive aspect?..Not at all. He's the best offensively and defensively.
Why should we be content only to see the offensive upside of Weber. As far as I'm concerned the #1 task a Dman has to do is DEFEND.

16Min of IceTime was way too much for the kid, but given our situation it's understandable he had that much. When Gorges plays 26Min, Hamrlik (in a bad season) 27Min, then you're in trouble.

BTW, he was 0 not +1.

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responsible for a goal against
responsible for a goal for (which tied it and gave us momentum)

played well otherwise given his lack of experience.
What stood out the most was:
- Cannot battle down low with the opponents (yet...i'm sure he'll learn, like Gorges, and I guess Streit)
- Perhaps my vision was off, but he looked about as big as the kids who skate onto the ice with the flags or who play timbits hockey. I hope you guys are right about him actually being "thicker". Is is possible to gain like 40 pounds of muscle? Cuz that's what it seems like he needs. goes to show that a good slapshot is all about technique and not souray-esque momentum.

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04-21-2009, 02:56 PM
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I almost feel bad for the guy. But I don't. Karma biting his arse from his post-game comments vs us.
I remember this so clearly and man oh man, if they don't win, exactly this. I hope they replay that video to him, jackass. I don't feel bad for him, I feel bad for the rest of the sharks. Love cheechoo, he's awesome and the rest of that team is unbelievable too. Gotta say though, Ducks can f around the whole season, but they have the talent that will show up when needed (unlike some of our players). Wonder how Giggy feels about being second fiddle. Hiller is playing great.

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On a positive note, at least we're not the San Jose Sharks.
Man Thornton is playing him self off the Canadian team for next winter.Horrible can never step up his game when needed

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04-21-2009, 03:00 PM
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lol dood does it just suck being you?

guy was in the OHL last year and you cant give him a ****ing break LOL.
So because he was in the OHL last year I have to overlook the fact he was pushed around like a kid (granted he is one), he took bad decisions in his zone, made bad plays and bad passes. Even on the PP he took bad decisions at times.

So, because he's young and inexperienced, I have to overlook that when I want to rate his performance last night?..

He'll be great in the future, YESTERDAY he wasn't.

I just saw La zone on the web and they were saying the same thing, so clearly I'm not the only one that thinks it..

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Ya, that's exactly how one is suppose to judge a DEFENSEMAN.
He's supposed to be an offensive Dman, so who cares about Defense!
Remember who's our last D that thought like that?..Souray. Remember how much heat he was getting for being so horrible in his own end.

Markov is an offensive Dman, does he overlook the defensive aspect?..Not at all. He's the best offensively and defensively.
Why should we be content only to see the offensive upside of Weber. As far as I'm concerned the #1 task a Dman has to do is DEFEND.

16Min of IceTime was way too much for the kid, but given our situation it's understandable he had that much. When Gorges plays 26Min, Hamrlik (in a bad season) 27Min, then you're in trouble.

BTW, he was 0 not +1.
Markov is also a top-5 dman in the league. No one expects Weber to get anything close to that. To compare a prime Markov to a 20 year old Weber is insane.

Its his 5th ****ing game. Do you remember how Markov looked in his 2nd full season? Komi in 06? Heck even Chara was a nobody for a couple of years b4 he came to Ottawa.

Yeah its best to have a balanced dman, but those are rare to find (true n.1s). Most dman are either good offensively or good defensively. Weber is most likely going to be an offensive dman with average defensive play.

Of course he has to improve his defensive play but look at it in context please.

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One things for sure, the kid has got to bulk up some. I am happy with the progress he's made but he's got work to do, which should be expected from a 1st year pro. Next year hopefully he takes some more bigger steps in his progression, after what has already been a very positive year for him. Can't wait to see him and Subban on the same team next year. (or perhaps this year if the Bulls keep losing and the Dogs get back on track)

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My point was take his preformance into context.

He's 20 years old, playing his 5th NHL game for a team under the huge pressure of a playoff game.

Play in his own zone... well it was sure as hell better than Komisarek's. At least he made breakout passes.

What he did considering the context was way above and beyond what a 20 year old kid should be doing. To turn it around and be cynical about it is unreasonable.
I'm not cynical, I'm critical.

If Price has an injured thumb or groin, and plays a bad game. I'm still going to say he played a bad one.

Weber is young, showed good things offensively, but still need a lot of work defensively. Overall he didn't have a good game.

Why is it so damn hard to admit?

Yes he's young, yes he was placed in a very difficult situation, yes he'll get better, yes he'll be great in the future (considering he'll keep developing) , but tonight he wasn't good.

You can be happy to have seen the potential in him with his shot and passes, but that doesn't mean he had a good overall game tonight.

I like Weber, I think he'll be good especially if he can learn from Markov.

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So because he was in the OHL last year I have to overlook the fact he was pushed around like a kid (granted he is one), he took bad decisions in his zone, made bad plays and bad passes. Even on the PP he took bad decisions at times.

So, because he's young and inexperienced, I have to overlook that when I want to rate his performance last night?..

He'll be great in the future, YESTERDAY he wasn't.

I just saw La zone on the web and they were saying the same thing, so clearly I'm not the only one that thinks it..
Your still not giving him a break <3

And who gives a flying **** about what the people on "la zone" think broski..

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Markov is also a top-5 dman in the league. No one expects Weber to get anything close to that. To compare a prime Markov to a 20 year old Weber is insane.

Its his 5th ****ing game. Do you remember how Markov looked in his 2nd full season? Komi in 06? Heck even Chara was a nobody for a couple of years b4 he came to Ottawa.

Yeah its best to have a balanced dman, but those are rare to find (true n.1s). Most dman are either good offensively or good defensively. Weber is most likely going to be an offensive dman with average defensive play.

Of course he has to improve his defensive play but look at it in context please.
Let's get something straight here.
I'm not comparing Weber to Souray, Markov or any other reg D in the NHL.

I was answering someone that only looked at the offensive side. But there's 2 aspects, and a big one for a Dman is the DEFENSIVE side.

I keep saying he's got work to do defensively, a lot of it. Because he was horrible in his zone yesterday.
If I can't say he had a bad game yesterday, especially defensively, than does that mean nobody can say an NHL Prospect was bad in a game if it's his first few ones??..
That has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

He was bad yesterday defensively and that's the end of it. Move on.

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Your still not giving him a break <3

And who gives a flying **** about what the people on "la zone" think broski..
Why would I give him a break?..

There's a lot of room for improvement, he was bad in his zone yesterday. Why can't I say it?..

Because it's his first few games?..so?..we can't be critical of youngsters anymore?..

Didn't say he'll be bad forever, simply said he was horrible in his zone and he was.

I don't care if it was his 1st, 2nd or 1000th game, he was bad in his zone.

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He's "thicker" than Streit, bigger lower base, doesn't seem as agile but has a quicker first step. Shots are comparable, but what I like most about Weber is the fact that he's always got his head up. We'll see in time how good he can become.
He has a good shot and compared with Streit or Brisebois, this young man seems less inclined to give away the puck at the blue line on the PP. I look forward to seeing his full maturation as a hockey player.

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Weber

What do you all think of him? I think he's looking pretty good and doesn't need time in the minors anymore. But I am curious why like the Hockey News has him rated low as a prospect recently.

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I thought his slap shot looked pretty good, and was surprised that he has a pretty good wrister too. He looks small out there though compared to some of the others, and its pretty evident hes only played a few games in the NHL. Its hard to judge him based on the couple of games we've seen him play cause I think he needs to work some of the jitters out.

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He's very green and he's made a few mistakes. Still, he's shown that he has some talent. He's certainly helped us in our hour of need.

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