yeah... trade the bros... lets make sure they come back to kill us like Ryder!
Exactly....how the hell can he say to not make any rushed decisions, but get rid of the Kostys? Anybody catched that he's kinda wondering if Melanson is doing a good job?
And the conclusion is priceless. We're further from what we thought we'd be, but It,s far from a lost cause?. Just wondering how the hell he knows that, a city that has 11 UFA's that might be going and that other interesting UFA's might not/will not come here.
Isn't that a little too soon to say how far we really are? Can those journalists and people realized that in a cap world and in this new 27 years old UFA period, who cares if we are a better team now than in 2003, if things go terribly wrong, in one year we can go back to the darkest hours. 'Cause then while we have to, maybe, rebuild a team, do we know how the other teams around us would have improve? So many intangibles that nobody knows how we will look for years to come or even for next year for that matter.
Yes, with so much uncertaintly about the team with the 11 ufas and 5 rfas, let's trade the only two signed wingers who actually have good potential.
This organization will never go anywhere because they keep trying to please the fans instead of just trying to win no matter what. But no only in montreal do you have to
a. have a certain amount of french players
b. let the media run guys off your team.
c. get a french coach even though there might be a better coach available.
d. let fans decide the direction of your team.
As long as this organization keeps following this model for their team, we won't go anywhere.
Wtv, just like Ryder and Grabovski, if the Kostitsyns get traded, not only will I cheer them, but I hope they stick it in everyone's faces who didn't believe in them and treated them like ****.
They have a better chance of killing you on the dance floor, just based on the way they danced away from every confrontation this year.
2nd year.
We should have gotten rid of Lats after last year.
We should get rid of Price too.
We should have gotten rid of Komisarek after his ridiculous 2nd year.
Markov too.
Lapierre too.
In Philly, the guy many here keep saying we should have drafted instead of A.Kost, had 14G in his 2nd season. Last year, many wanted him out of Philly and it would have happened had Kaberle waived his NTC. How many goals did he score this year again?? 46??..
A.Kost has been horrible, yet he found a way to put up 23G.
S.Kost was even worse, yet he has about as many pts as last season only with a few more games in.
Maybe you think that a player's ceiling is reached at his 2nd season, but I don't agree.
The Kost bros are our most promising offensive prospects.
A.Kost is the only one on our team that has the potential to pot 40ish Goals. I don't want either one traded unless we get a big impact player + coming our way.
They have huge potential, with a little attitude check, they could be crazy good for us next year.
We should have gotten rid of Lats after last year.
We should get rid of Price too.
We should have gotten rid of Komisarek after his ridiculous 2nd year.
Markov too.
Lapierre too.
In Philly, the guy many here keep saying we should have drafted instead of A.Kost, had 14G in his 2nd season. Last year, many wanted him out of Philly and it would have happened had Kaberle waived his NTC. How many goals did he score this year again?? 46??..
A.Kost has been horrible, yet he found a way to put up 23G.
S.Kost was even worse, yet he has about as many pts as last season only with a few more games in.
Maybe you think that a player's ceiling is reached at his 2nd season, but I don't agree.
The Kost bros are our most promising offensive prospects.
A.Kost is the only one on our team that has the potential to pot 40ish Goals. I don't want either one traded unless we get a big impact player + coming our way.
They have huge potential, with a little attitude check, they could be crazy good for us next year.
maybe the notion that they are dressing room cancers didnt occur to you?
Something happened between last year and this year to make them completely different players (well granted, many guys changed). AK seems completely lost and SK thinks he's better than Lemieux.
Yeah i agree that these are growing pains, but if we're to keep these guys in the line up we need someone who's gonna keep them in check. I wish Doug Guilmour was still playing for us. Now there's a guy that can set the tower of Pisa straight.
We need REAL veteran leaders, who dont take no ******** from the kids and set their ass straight.
That's what this team needs. We need a Brendan Morrow. Oh how sweet that would be....
We should have gotten rid of Lats after last year.
We should get rid of Price too.
We should have gotten rid of Komisarek after his ridiculous 2nd year.
Markov too.
Lapierre too.
In Philly, the guy many here keep saying we should have drafted instead of A.Kost, had 14G in his 2nd season. Last year, many wanted him out of Philly and it would have happened had Kaberle waived his NTC. How many goals did he score this year again?? 46??..
A.Kost has been horrible, yet he found a way to put up 23G.
S.Kost was even worse, yet he has about as many pts as last season only with a few more games in.
Maybe you think that a player's ceiling is reached at his 2nd season, but I don't agree.
The Kost bros are our most promising offensive prospects.
A.Kost is the only one on our team that has the potential to pot 40ish Goals. I don't want either one traded unless we get a big impact player + coming our way.
They have huge potential, with a little attitude check, they could be crazy good for us next year.
Kriss E, I really question the fans sometimes, it's nice to see that few people actually understand the reality of the situation. I really don't get the short leash that fans give the players. I'm fed up of seeing our players develop on other rosters, players we drafted.
Sergei's attitude was questioned all year, but I love how Andrei got thrown into all this only after the Lapresse article. Just prior to that he was on fire, he had 38 points in 52 games and 22 goals, he was on pace for a 30 goal season and the majority of the people were on the bandwagon, that article comes out and everyone turns.
It's amazing how much the media influences and shapes people's attitudes around here, It's almost as though no one has a brain for themselves and no one can interpret a game unless someone else interprets it for them.
Getting rid of a 21 and 24 year old because of one bad season, especially since one of them is our only sniper prospect who can actually be a big time scorer is really stupid.
There is not one player on our team besides Kovalev who could have scored that goal on Thomas on Wednesday besides Andrei, no one...and we want to get rid of that talent considering our goal scoring troubles, let's get serious.
Unless I'm getting a top 10 center and plus, I'm not willing to trade the brothers because of one bad season so early in their carreers
Yeah, best article this year. Wouldn't trade the Kostitsyns'...they have no trade value now, might as well keep them. Sign a leader like Shanny, vet goalie, trade Halak at the draft. Melanson should be done also, Price makes the upteen goalie he has messed up. Patty Roy time?
maybe the notion that they are dressing room cancers didnt occur to you?
Something happened between last year and this year to make them completely different players (well granted, many guys changed). AK seems completely lost and SK thinks he's better than Lemieux.
Yeah i agree that these are growing pains, but if we're to keep these guys in the line up we need someone who's gonna keep them in check. I wish Doug Guilmour was still playing for us. Now there's a guy that can set the tower of Pisa straight.
We need REAL veteran leaders, who dont take no ******** from the kids and set their ass straight.
That's what this team needs. We need a Brendan Morrow. Oh how sweet that would be....
Where were they cancers? Because that story came out? The team still played like **** when Sergei was gone in Hamilton for a month and a half and Andrei was benched. So I'm not buying that they are "cancers". Grabovski was a so called cancer, but all of a sudden he's cured in Toronto.
Sergei and Andrei weren't the only terrible players this year no matter how much people try to place the blame on them. Higgins was garbage along with Plekanec, Komisarek, Price, Hamrlik and Kovalev(for a good part of the year)...What explains their **** play.
Please you are starting to sound like Benoit Brunet.
If the Kost's are traded, then hopefully it's to the Western Conference. I didn't like hearing Ryder was signed by Boston and Grabs traded for peanuts to Toronto at the time, and still don't.
Huh?
Mikhail Grabovski was traded for a 2nd round draft pick and a prospect? If it were just a 2nd rounder, the Canadiens win that trade. How on earth do you figure he was traded for peanuts?
What do you think a soft, one dimensional forward with discipline issues is worth? You actually think Montreal lost that trade?
Mikhail Grabovski was traded for a 2nd round draft pick and a prospect? If it were just a 2nd rounder, the Canadiens win that trade. How on earth do you figure he was traded for peanuts?
What do you think a soft, one dimensional forward with discipline issues is worth? You actually think Montreal lost that trade?
Also, the 2nd round pick became Robert Lang....our leading goal scorer when he went down with a freak injury. I bet Habspack didn't even know what we received in return for Grabs when he made that funny statement.
Mikhail Grabovski was traded for a 2nd round draft pick and a prospect? If it were just a 2nd rounder, the Canadiens win that trade. How on earth do you figure he was traded for peanuts?
What do you think a soft, one dimensional forward with discipline issues is worth? You actually think Montreal lost that trade?
The fact that the 2nd round pick became Robert Lang, we win the trade. However, Mikhail Grabovski is going to be a good scoring NHL forward for quite some time, though he'd never of lasted in Montreal with his attitude.
The fact that the 2nd round pick became Robert Lang, we win the trade. However, Mikhail Grabovski is going to be a good scoring NHL forward for quite some time, though he'd never of lasted in Montreal with his attitude.
I would disagree that Mikhail Grabovski will be a good scoring forward, let alone one for a long time.
The guy is as soft as a wet piece of toliet pair, has a lousy attitude and plays a very selfish, undisciplined game. I think he'll be playing in Europe in three years. There's no way he has the grit, discipline or defensive ability to be an NHL center.
The idiots on this board should be forced to read this article.
Everyone in Montreal who cares about the habs should read that article over and over until they have it memorized. Friedman is just an awesome journalist.
The point about the fans/media monster that has reared its ugly head this year more than any other, well, it's one we all agree with and are aware of. We know the whole free agency scare thing is very real, but the question is, how do we (those who don't boo, and who don't jump on the team) get everyone else to realize what Elliot wrote about having to change the culture a little bit? Going back to how times have changed, in a way so has our fan culture. Everything is so big and explosive these days and for fans who have only recently become fans because it's cool and who really don't know anything about the game, the one's who are irrational and at the end of the day can sleep well at night even after the team loses cuz it's just a punching bag for them, they don't understand that they have to change. It's like the economic crisis, it's a situation spiralling out of control and when it was once the organization's futility and the fans allegiance, it has now become the organization moving in the right direction but being hindered by these kinds of hurdles. I wish there was a way to get this message out to everybody. A public service announcement that if you are going to be a jackass, don't put on that jersey. I've read it so many times on this board that if you pay to get in, then you can do what you want. That's something that I don't think is so clear cut. We are all furious with the team at times, but just listening to Saku who is the epitome of class, who will still say that this is the best place to win, I just get so annoyed that there are tons of idiots who are ruining the team's culture, heritage and future success. It's ok to be critical of the team, in fact that's what makes us so special, we care. But we need to learn to care in a good way (again, I just don't know how to weed out the insidious elements within).
Band wagoners.. I only listen to McKenzie and Gainey. The rest are as competant as a bunch of Monkeys picking their ***** in a tree as far as I'm concerned.
Band wagoners.. I only listen to McKenzie and Gainey. The rest are as competant as a bunch of Monkeys picking their ***** in a tree as far as I'm concerned.
I would disagree that Mikhail Grabovski will be a good scoring forward, let alone one for a long time.
The guy is as soft as a wet piece of toliet pair, has a lousy attitude and plays a very selfish, undisciplined game. I think he'll be playing in Europe in three years. There's no way he has the grit, discipline or defensive ability to be an NHL center.
He scored nearly 50 points in his first full NHL season, on a fairly weak team. Just because he's a ****** bag off ice (or on it), doesn't mean he doesn't have talent. The guy is fast, has a good shot, and most importantly, doesn't shy from physical play (though he won't be the one on his feet).
20 goals, 28 assists for 48 points in a rookie season is pretty damn good. He scored more points than anyone on our team with the exception of Markov, Kovalev, and Koivu.
There's only one thing on which ALL journalists agree about the Habs and it's that we have to move the Kostitsyns. I don't know but, even if they get carried away a lot, I kinda have confidence in them on this issue. They watch these guys practice every time, they have access to the locker room, Kovalev explicitely said these guys needed to focus on the game. There seems to be a real issue with the bros.
Like someone said, compare this article to the one R.Tremblay wrote. There's a world of difference in journalistic quality here.
Sad but Thursday on RDS, the commentators were on super-bash hab mode. It was unbelievable, from saying stuff like Dandenault was our best player, to other insane ideas.
This article really needs to be translated and plastered over La Presse. Just to show what real editorials look like.
