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04-26-2009, 10:27 PM
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What about Rajala? He is extremely skilled and dominated at the U-18s, but he is tiny and needs to bulk up a lot.

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That's how they do it regardless.


This team does NOT draft goalies high. Especially just to draft one high.
They won't draft a goalie just for the sake of drafting a goalie, but they were going to draft one high last year.

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04-26-2009, 11:09 PM
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As for Millan, I watched pretty much just the Frozen Four, and both those games I cringed every time a puck went towards BU's net. Looked like a good goalie, but was "fighting the puck" as Melrose kept saying. Maybe just bad games.

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he was also a freshman goaltender playing in the frozen 4 for the first time.
Like I said, I am not talking about a high round pick here, grab in the last round and take a shot.

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04-26-2009, 11:32 PM
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I doubt that Rajala is still around, but he is very skilled and would probably be a steal if available.

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04-27-2009, 12:16 AM
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Whatever happened to our last year's drafted goaltender? Jacob Deserres(SP?)

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04-27-2009, 01:32 AM
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Who the Flyers pick really depends on how the first round plays out. After the top 11 or so, it really starts to open up.

They will be picking BPA, but I wouldn't mind the Flyers drafing Mike Lee. It's not just because he is a goalie prospect, but because he is great and very underrated. If anyone goaltender is picked in the first round, I think it should be him.

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Whatever happened to our last year's drafted goaltender? Jacob Deserres(SP?)
Lost the starting job to a 2010 eligible player.

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04-27-2009, 02:41 PM
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as long as they can get a decent goalie prospect that's the biggest concern for me...

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04-27-2009, 02:45 PM
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I'm all for the 6'7 monster goalie.

I agree we don't need to draft a goalie high. Most of the goalies in the NHL weren't drafted too high, right?

Goalies are very hit or miss, mainly miss.

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04-27-2009, 02:55 PM
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Mike Lee, Koskinen, and Doherty are the 3 that stick out to me.

Where are all these guys projected to go? Is there a free projection online?

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04-27-2009, 03:01 PM
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Lee sounds like he could be the real stud goalie in this draft.

Lee could go in the 2nd, possibly the 1st. Koskinen I imagine would go in the 2nd or 3rd. Doherty could be a late first or a 2nd rounder.

Kyle Woodlief from the Redline Report thinks Berube could be the sleeper goalie of the draft so he might be someone to look at with one of our 3rds if he is available.

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04-27-2009, 03:09 PM
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Browing through the prospects forum... there's some good threads on draft projections:

- http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=635116 ISS Top 30 for April
- http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=533498 Prospects strengths and weaknesses
- http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=619359 Physical prospects
- http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=634822 Goaltenders

Pretty odd seeing Rajala so low. I remember quite a few threads that had him pegged in the top 10. Is it a size issue? Skating?

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04-27-2009, 03:13 PM
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Lee is a guy that I've been high on for a while...

I don't se him falling past the 2nd round ... I imagine he'll go early second or late first... Are the flyers willing to burn a 1st round pick on a guy who very well might not pan out (I mean, he did great at Rousseau but Rousseau is a complete powerhouse... He did also have a great defense which included Aaron Ness)? I think the main issue is that the Fly boys are stacked with young forwards, have a solid young defensive core and really no young goalie. It may be a bit of a reach to draft a player like lee 1st but that's what we need

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04-27-2009, 03:49 PM
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Pretty odd seeing Rajala so low. I remember quite a few threads that had him pegged in the top 10. Is it a size issue? Skating?
Yeah, I think it is mainly a size issue. He needs to add a lot of muscle before he can compete at the NHL level. He didn't do much at the WJC either.

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04-27-2009, 04:10 PM
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We wont draft one of them. I noticed whenever we HOPE for Homer to draft someone we all like, he never does.... it has worked out for Sbisa though

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They won't draft a goalie just for the sake of drafting a goalie, but they were going to draft one high last year.
The interesting thing is that we usually hear about all these goalies they want to draft high, and they never end up with them, and then they don't draft any until the 5th round. I don't think they really scout goalies that much, they kind of just bite off of what everyone else is saying. No one was talking about Steve Mason when he was drafted.

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04-27-2009, 04:53 PM
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Added reports on Zack Kassian, Chris Kreider, and Stefan Elliott.

I'll keep adding reports when I get the time.


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04-28-2009, 10:11 PM
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Lee is a guy that I've been high on for a while...

I don't se him falling past the 2nd round ... I imagine he'll go early second or late first... Are the flyers willing to burn a 1st round pick on a guy who very well might not pan out (I mean, he did great at Rousseau but Rousseau is a complete powerhouse... He did also have a great defense which included Aaron Ness)? I think the main issue is that the Fly boys are stacked with young forwards, have a solid young defensive core and really no young goalie. It may be a bit of a reach to draft a player like lee 1st but that's what we need
Then you move down. Unless you think someone is taking your guy.

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04-29-2009, 02:47 PM
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The interesting thing is that we usually hear about all these goalies they want to draft high, and they never end up with them, and then they don't draft any until the 5th round. I don't think they really scout goalies that much, they kind of just bite off of what everyone else is saying. No one was talking about Steve Mason when he was drafted.
Homer: “The one thing that I’ve made a real attempt to do here now is [emphasize] in terms of drafting goalies,” he said. “We’ve really, over the last year now… placed a real high emphasis on scouting, in terms of the draft.”

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet...459&feedID=717

As far as Mason goes, I don't know how much can be taken from his unique situation, since he was drafted in the 3rd round, after only playing 12 games in his draft year, and now 3 years later he's a Calder/Vezina trophy finalist.

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We need to send more scouts to watch games in Europe, particularly in Sweden and Finland. Guys like Kiprusoff, Rinne, Backstrom, Lundqvist, and Thomas are out there.

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We need to send more scouts to watch games in Europe, particularly in Sweden and Finland. Guys like Kiprusoff, Rinne, Backstrom, Lundqvist, and Thomas are out there.
Don't forget your Niitys, Lehtonens, Salos too!

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Don't forget your Niitys, Lehtonens, Salos too!
Lehtonen was a 2nd overall pick.

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Lehtonen was a 2nd overall pick.
I thought you meant in terms of talent, not where they were drafted, but in any case it still holds true. You are right he was 2nd overall and has been nothing but injured. Yeah he is on a bad team, but even Yann Danis stole some games for the lowly Islanders every now and again.

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04-29-2009, 03:33 PM
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I know nothing about them, but Budish and Doherty sound like monsters.

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04-29-2009, 05:14 PM
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Homer: “The one thing that I’ve made a real attempt to do here now is [emphasize] in terms of drafting goalies,” he said. “We’ve really, over the last year now… placed a real high emphasis on scouting, in terms of the draft.”

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet...459&feedID=717

As far as Mason goes, I don't know how much can be taken from his unique situation, since he was drafted in the 3rd round, after only playing 12 games in his draft year, and now 3 years later he's a Calder/Vezina trophy finalist.
Pekka Rinne was drafted based on how he warmed up, because with Nicklas Backstrom on the same team in Oulu, he never got on the ice. Would have been nice to have him in the system 2 years ago.

You just need to have better scouting. Holmgren said they only use Neil Little to scout goalies, and he only gets sent out when another amateur scouts (none of which have ever played goal) see one they happen to like. That's this season. That's not an added emphasis, that's sending a guy to to scout a goalie if they feel like sending him.

So the year they scouted Steve Mason, they have only seen him once maybe and he had a bad game and was enough to not consider him.

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I would like the Flyers to use every draft pick on a goalie. one of has to pan out, right?

In reality, it always seems that for every 1 goalie prospect who pans out, 2 or 3 do not. I keep thinking about the Eric Fichauds, Jimmy Waites, and Marc Denis'. Even ones that make it are often the likes of Jocelyn Thibault and Felix Potvin. Good goalies, but nothing to write home about.

The draft is always a crap shoot, but it seems like goalies are a higher risk.

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Their date of birth(s) make me feel old. I still vividly remember the 90s! The best decade where nothing happened.

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