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03-08-2004, 02:21 PM
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I think this list should be sticky'd & Updated accordingly:

Prospects/Picks aquired at 2004 trade deadline:

Prospects
Josef Balej
Blair Betts
Max Kondratiev
Jarko Immonen
Greg Moore
Dwight Helminen
Rick Kozak
David Liffiton
Alexandre Giroux
Karel Rachunek
Martin Grenier
RJ Umberger


Picks
Tor 1st 2004
Fla 2nd 2004 (via COL)
Mtl 2nd 2004
Edm 2nd 2004
Tor 2nd 2005
Phi 2nd 2005


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maybe we should tally salary cuts as well?

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absotootly terryble. must be around 20 million now.

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Salary cut: (though this doesn't really mean a thing since most of these players are free agents at the end of the year and most of their salary for this year has been paid)
$23.5925 mil

Malakhov: $3.5 mil
Nedved: $4.75 mil
Markkanen: $0.6425 mil
Kovalev: $6.6 mil
Simon: $1.5 mil
Leetch: $6.6 mil

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Salary cut: (though this doesn't really mean a thing since most of these players are free agents at the end of the year and most of their salary for this year has been paid)
$23.5925 mil

Malakhov: $3.5 mil
Nedved: $4.75 mil
Markkanen: $0.6425 mil
Kovalev: $6.6 mil
Simon: $1.5 mil
Leetch: $6.6 mil
is our payroll actually UNDER $60million???

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is our payroll actually UNDER $60million???
According to Fish's site, our current roster adds up to about $44 mil, but with another $20 mil currently on the IR. However, half of the IR salary is because of Bure. If we put the $8 mil that we get from Bure's insurance into the mix, the payroll is at around $56 mil.

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Also take away Bure and Lindros from next season.

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It's pretty much impossible to figure out where the payroll is going to be next year. Some fairly hefty salaries (Dunham and de Vries, for example) can still be moved. Bure only counts for $2 mil against us with insurance picking up the rest. Lindros won't hit his games played bonus, so he's only hitting us up for $3.3 mil (which is less than Kaspar, Jagr, Holik, de Vries, and Messier are making this year and on par with what Dunham is making). There's also the fact that Sather is going to sign someone this year, but I haven't a clue as to who. Assuming that Kaspar, Holik, Jagr, de Vries, Poti, and Dunham all stay, that leaves us with about $29 mil going to 6 players. If the remaining 17 players average out to $1.4 mil a player (about league average), we'll still be over $50 mil. And that's for a "rebuilding" year.

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It's pretty much impossible to figure out where the payroll is going to be next year. Some fairly hefty salaries (Dunham and de Vries, for example) can still be moved. Bure only counts for $2 mil against us with insurance picking up the rest. Lindros won't hit his games played bonus, so he's only hitting us up for $3.3 mil (which is less than Kaspar, Jagr, Holik, de Vries, and Messier are making this year and on par with what Dunham is making). There's also the fact that Sather is going to sign someone this year, but I haven't a clue as to who. Assuming that Kaspar, Holik, Jagr, de Vries, Poti, and Dunham all stay, that leaves us with about $29 mil going to 6 players. If the remaining 17 players average out to $1.4 mil a player (about league average), we'll still be over $50 mil. And that's for a "rebuilding" year.
I've read of the possibility of the Rangers paying out large portions of Holik's and Jagr's contracts at the end of this season so they don't take such a hit on both. Was that just Brooks BS?

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Does it matter on Jagr?

he has a no-trade clause, doesn't he? Further, I'm not sure I would want to go handing out players to other teams at this point. Holik and Jagr can come back to bite ya in the arse, and there still needs to be some semlance of an NHL product on ice next season. You can rebuild and still keep some key players.

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he has a no-trade clause, doesn't he? Further, I'm not sure I would want to go handing out players to other teams at this point. Holik and Jagr can come back to bite ya in the arse, and there still needs to be some semlance of an NHL product on ice next season. You can rebuild and still keep some key players.
No Jagr can't have a no-trade clause in his deal.

The current CBA has a rule stating that you must be 31 years of age before you are allowed to have a no-trade clause put into your contract.

Jagr's current deal was agreed to in the summer of 2001, when Jagr was 29.

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No Jagr can't have a no-trade clause in his deal.

The current CBA has a rule stating that you must be 31 years of age before you are allowed to have a no-trade clause put into your contract.

Jagr's current deal was agreed to in the summer of 2001, when Jagr was 29.
Jagr's deal has been re-worked, he agreed to defer 1 million a season in order to get a no-trade clause
so he does have a no trade as far as i know

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No Jagr can't have a no-trade clause in his deal.

The current CBA has a rule stating that you must be 31 years of age before you are allowed to have a no-trade clause put into your contract.

Jagr's current deal was agreed to in the summer of 2001, when Jagr was 29.
he renegotiated his deal to shed a mill off each year when he was traded here in exchange for a no trade........

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Armed w/ 2 1sts & 3 2nd's for this year and at least one 1st & 3 2nd's for next year (so far). Only Jackass would know how to mess this up and ensure that every pick is a bust.

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Armed w/ 2 1sts & 3 2nd's for this year and at least one 1st & 3 2nd's for next year (so far). Only Jackass would know how to mess this up and ensure that every pick is a bust.
hmm i think sathers draft record with the rangers is pretty good
moore
blackburn
tjutin
Lundqvist
Murray
Jonasen
Walsh
Taylor
Prucha
some pretty decent prosects

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hmm i think sathers draft record with the rangers is pretty good
moore
blackburn
tjutin
Lundqvist
Murray
Jonasen
Walsh
Taylor
Prucha
some pretty decent prosects

Novak
Marek
Zidlicky
Murray
Dawes
Baranka
only one proven player with a few well regarded ones.... i wouldnt put much stock into that list but then again its not sather doing the drafting recently.. i have confidence in renney so lets hope he can pluck a few good ones..

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hmm i think sathers draft record with the rangers is pretty good
moore
blackburn
tjutin
Lundqvist
Murray
Jonasen
Walsh
Taylor
Prucha
some pretty decent prosects
It may be..... we wont know for probably three more years.

I also think Smith draft Lundqvist and Moore...

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I think this list should be sticky'd & Updated accordingly:

Prospects/Picks aquired at 2004 trade deadline:

Prospects
Josef Balej
Blair Betts
Max Kondratiev
Jarko Immonen
Greg Moore
Dwight Helminen
Rick Kozak


Picks
Tor 1st 2004
Mtl 2nd 2004
Edm 2nd 2004
Tor 2nd 2005
Phi 2nd 2005

WOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE DRAFT PICKS ITS AMAZING SO FAR FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE 2 FIRSTS THIS YEAR AND 3 SECONDS WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD THAT.AND ALREDAY 2 SECONDS IN 05, DID PRETTY DECENT,PROSPECTS PICK UP ALSO ARE DECENT.PAVEL BUREWASIKE A 6 RD PICK AND LOOK ALOT OF THESE GUYS ARENT FIRST OR SECONDS EVEN 3RDS THOASETIMES THAT GIVE THE TEAM WHAT THEY NEED WHEN GIVEN TH CHANCE. EITHER WAY THESE PROSPECTS IF GIVEN THE CHANCE COULD BE GOOD FOR US. TRADE LUNDMARK .. HE IS USLESS EVEN GIVEN ICE TIME HE IS USELESS GARTH MURRAY HAD MORE CHANCES AGAINST PITTS THAN LUNDMARK HAS HAD PLAYING ALL YEAR.. GARTH MURRAY IS GOING TO BE AN EXCELLENT PLAYER FOR US HE HITS, FIGHTS CAN SKATE PRETTY GOOD WORKS HARD AND WILL BE A FUTURE 20 GOAL SCORER... LETS GO RANGERS

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It may be..... we wont know for probably three more years.

I also think Smith draft Lundqvist and Moore...
Josef Balej
Blair Betts
Max Kondratiev
Jarko Immonen
Greg Moore
Dwight Helminen
Rick Kozak
moore
blackburn
tjutin
Lundqvist
Murray
Jonasen
Walsh
Taylor
Prucha
Lundqvist
THE FUTURE LOOKS GREAT IF SATHER IS GONE GETS LARRY ROBINSON AND LET HIM DO HIS THING HE IS GREAT WITH KIDS THEY WILL PLAY AND LEARN , FINALLY GONNA SEEE YOUTH PLAYING ON THE RANGERS ITS GREAT. :p

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hmm i think sathers draft record with the rangers is pretty good
moore
blackburn
tjutin
Lundqvist
Murray
Jonasen
Walsh
Taylor
Prucha
some pretty decent prosects
Here we go again. Wether or not Moore will become an NHLer has still to be determined. He started off well in Hartford but slowed down. Blackburn is good. Tyutin looks promising. Can't list Ludnquist. He is not even in North America nor do we have any indication that he ever will be. Murray is a future 3rd liner. Jonasen in not even in the AHL and was not good enough for the SEL. I've no idea how you list Walsh here at all. Might as well list Fardleu. Jake Taylor? Are you kidding me? It's a longshot that the guy makes it to the NHL at all. Prucha? Come on.
If Sather's draft record is soo good, and he has had top 10 picks the last 3 years, then why has there been exactly one player who has been able to play defense in the top 6? Why is the only forward from the past 4 years of Sather's reign an energetic 4th liner?

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Here we go again. Wether or not Moore will become an NHLer has still to be determined. He started off well in Hartford but slowed down. Blackburn is good. Tyutin looks promising. Can't list Ludnquist. He is not even in North America nor do we have any indication that he ever will be. Murray is a future 3rd liner. Jonasen in not even in the AHL and was not good enough for the SEL. I've no idea how you list Walsh here at all. Might as well list Fardleu. Jake Taylor? Are you kidding me? It's a longshot that the guy makes it to the NHL at all. Prucha? Come on.
If Sather's draft record is soo good, and he has had top 10 picks the last 3 years, then why has there been exactly one player who has been able to play defense in the top 6? Why is the only forward from the past 4 years of Sather's reign an energetic 4th liner?
furthermore if the drafts have been so good why does this site rank them 27.......

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