I really liked carbo and never criticized him. Having said that, he just didn't know how to win with the underperforming team he had. If he had a team that played up to their potential (like last year), then it makes him a good fit, but Gainey's coaching is what we needed right at the end. People keep saying we barely made the playoffs with Gainey. We would have missed the playoffs by a large margin with Carbo (and it's not entirely his fault, the team just wasn't with him). People forget that we were on a 5-0-1 run with Gainey until Markov got injured. Then it was over (not that it's an excuse for losing every single game, but it certainly was the reason).
I feel bad that the team never buckled up under Carbo and that there were too many injuries forcing young guys to come up and fill spots, which led to a lot of disarray in the lineup, poor chemistry and an overall bad system. Gainey is good for this team, I have no doubt. If he leaves, i will actually be jealous of the leafs' management.
But Carbo was one of my favourite players and I generally like him as a hockey guy. It was an unfortunate circumstance. I hope him and Bob can mend fences. As for Koivu being the problem - he's been more of the solution than anybody on this team for the past decade. He's one of the greatest (considering many dimensions of his game, particularly leadership and heart) players you have to know that all Koivu wants is to win. I'm sure Koivu knows what's best for the team so if in fact it was his "fault" that Carbo got fired, I can live with it.
Yeah. I wonder why I didn't happen to Julien, Vigneault or Therrien ?
they never played for the Habs, weren't captains (that won the stanley cup). lot of love is for who he was a player and his connection in that respect to the organization. I was a Carbo defender (or neutral at least) until he was let go. Then I started to see how the team looked different (better) under Gainey until they lost their quarterback.
yes, because people don't all think like you they are boneheads who swore by Tremblay. Way to generalize champ.
People that insist he was a good coach when the team was in a free fall and he, by his own admission, couldn't find a solution and then give him a standing ovation after the team is eliminated as though he was blameless in their downfall are boneheads. People chanting "Carbo Carbo" in the stands when the team was struggling are the same boneheads that ridiculed Price. The players remember that and it will stop us from signing UFA's so we have one less avenue of improvement available to us.
So yeah I guess I do generalize when I label a group of stupid people chanting the name of the past coach like he wasn't the reason the team was in the position it was in or ridiculing a promising young goalie. If you don't like it don't read my posts. It's not because they don't share my opinion that I label them it is because they react only to idiots like Tremblay and his type of poop disturbers.
The players were to blame since the change of coach made NADA difference. And Koivu, who is supposed to control his group of players let things go badly again.
You probably never saw it on TV, but he critisised twice Carbonneau for the bowling in Edmonton thing. I never saw that from a captain. And when you hear that Koivu is very close to Gillett's son, then you start guessing what really happened. This might be false, but no one now can put the blame on other people than the players themselves.
Oh come on! Selective memory is wonderful isn't it? Under Carbo the team was falling like a rock and was allowing over 35 shots per game. He had NO defensive system and the only wins he managed to get in the last month or two of his tenure here were because of Halak saving the day agaisnt 40ish shots per game.
Gainey had this team rolling before Markov and Schneider went down.
What ? "He built up their confidence". Of who are we talking about there ? The team that lost many games in a row to finally get destroyed by the bruins. Yeah well it worked pretty well. Seems to me that Carbo's strategy was better : you suck => you're benched. And the fact proves it. 5th with Carbo when he was fired on a basis of 60 games. 1st last season.
HI WE WERE 2 POINTS AWAY FROM 9TH
How long will you ignore it when I tell you?
If we didn't miraculously win in Dallas, we were back in Montreal out of the playoffs.
Tell me, oh smart one, how many rookie coaches had as good of a record? What was the record of Therrien, Julien and Vigneault at the same stage in their career?
Tell me, oh smart one, how many rookie coaches had as good of a record? What was the record of Therrien, Julien and Vigneault at the same stage in their career?
A record is a record. The majority of those wins came last season when I could've coached the team. This year, when it REALLY mattered, when the team wasn't performing under him, there was nothing he could do to pull them together. That's what I look at, not a stupid record.
Says the guy that ignore stats when talking about a specific player.
I dont get why people still defend Carbo. He isnt good enough (yet) to coach in this league. He was outcoached all season long. It might be unfair because Carbo wasnt the only problem but firing the coach is the kind of thing that can give a team a spark. It didnt worked that well but the team under Carbo in the last games wasnt going anywhere. Carbo was sacrified but thats the life of an nhl coach. If he is really that good, he will find a job somewhere else in the league.
I really liked carbo and never criticized him. Having said that, he just didn't know how to win with the underperforming team he had. If he had a team that played up to their potential (like last year), then it makes him a good fit, but Gainey's coaching is what we needed right at the end. People keep saying we barely made the playoffs with Gainey. We would have missed the playoffs by a large margin with Carbo (and it's not entirely his fault, the team just wasn't with him). People forget that we were on a 5-0-1 run with Gainey until Markov got injured. Then it was over (not that it's an excuse for losing every single game, but it certainly was the reason).
I feel bad that the team never buckled up under Carbo and that there were too many injuries forcing young guys to come up and fill spots, which led to a lot of disarray in the lineup, poor chemistry and an overall bad system. Gainey is good for this team, I have no doubt. If he leaves, i will actually be jealous of the leafs' management.
But Carbo was one of my favourite players and I generally like him as a hockey guy. It was an unfortunate circumstance. I hope him and Bob can mend fences. As for Koivu being the problem - he's been more of the solution than anybody on this team for the past decade. He's one of the greatest (considering many dimensions of his game, particularly leadership and heart) players you have to know that all Koivu wants is to win. I'm sure Koivu knows what's best for the team so if in fact it was his "fault" that Carbo got fired, I can live with it.
So he didn't know how to win with underperforming players? Why did they underperform? Isn't the coach's mission getting players to perform? From that standpoint, Carbonneau was a failure. Changing coaches helped in Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Florida, Ottawa, Carolina, and even the Rangers. Enough of this sloppy sentimentality about Carbonneau!
