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05-02-2009, 12:41 PM
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PB's contract is great.
Horcoff on the otherhand..
Horcoff's contract is horrible....what was Lowe thinking with that one?

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05-02-2009, 12:47 PM
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Brian Campbell - 7 years @ 7.1 million cap hit
Cristobel Huet - 3 years @ 5.6 million
Ryan Smyth - 3 years @ 6.25 million
Brad Richards - 2 years @ 7.8 million
Sean Avery - 3 years @ 4 million
Shawn Horcoff - 4 years @ 6.5 million
Michal Handzus - 2 years @ 4 million
JP Dumont - 3 years @ 4 million
Rick Dipietro - 12 years @ 4.5 million
Scott Gomez - 4 years @ 7.357
Chris Drury - 3 years @ 7 million
Wade Redden - 5 years @ 6.5 million
Michal Rozsival - 3 years @ 5 million
Mike Fisher - 4 years @ 4.2 million
Daniel Briere - 6 years @ 6.5 million
Ed Jovanovski - 1 years@ 6.5 million
Jay McKee - 1 years @ 4 million
Vaclav Prospal - 3 years @ 3.5 million
Radim Vrbata - 2 years @ 3 million
Jason Blake - 3 years @ 4 million
Jeff Finger - 3 years @ 3.5 million
Michal Nylander - 2 years @ 4.9 million
Jose Theodore - 1 year @ 4.5

IMO, these might be difficult contracts to move right now
The Kings have no desire to move Handzus but Lombardi got a lot of calls about Handzus this year before the deadline. I dont think it'd be hard to move him if he wanted to waive his NMC.

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05-02-2009, 12:50 PM
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The Kings have no desire to move Handzus but Lombardi got a lot of calls about Handzus this year before the deadline. I dont think it'd be hard to move him if he wanted to waive his NMC.
I know Handzus has been a good contributor to the Kings, he is lone of their better defensive forwards. I think he holds alot more value to the Kings than the open market. I guess you're right, Handzus' contract is not terrible compared to some others but 4 million for a third line center may cause most teams to shy away.

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05-02-2009, 12:51 PM
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Brian Campbell - 7 years @ 7.1 million cap hit
Cristobel Huet - 3 years @ 5.6 million
Ryan Smyth - 3 years @ 6.25 million
Brad Richards - 2 years @ 7.8 million
Sean Avery - 3 years @ 4 million
Shawn Horcoff - 4 years @ 6.5 million
Michal Handzus - 2 years @ 4 million
JP Dumont - 3 years @ 4 million

Rick Dipietro - 12 years @ 4.5 million
Scott Gomez - 4 years @ 7.357
Chris Drury - 3 years @ 7 million
Wade Redden - 5 years @ 6.5 million
Michal Rozsival - 3 years @ 5 million
Mike Fisher - 4 years @ 4.2 million
Daniel Briere - 6 years @ 6.5 million
Ed Jovanovski - 1 years@ 6.5 million
Jay McKee - 1 years @ 4 million
Vaclav Prospal - 3 years @ 3.5 million
Radim Vrbata - 2 years @ 3 million
Jason Blake - 3 years @ 4 million
Jeff Finger - 3 years @ 3.5 million
Michal Nylander - 2 years @ 4.9 million
Jose Theodore - 1 year @ 4.5

IMO, these might be difficult contracts to move right now
what? cmn dude

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05-02-2009, 05:58 PM
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Yeah as much as I love watching DiPi play,that contract's an albatross(sp) with his recent injuries.
you've actually SEEN him play!!? Wow, thought he was sort of like Bigfoot - there were rumors he existed but no ones ever seen him

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05-02-2009, 06:05 PM
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"Patrice Bergeron (BOS) - $4.75m 2 more years"

He doesn't deserve to be on the list! Teams would love to have him.

Replace him with Michal Rozsival (5 mil cap hit).

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05-02-2009, 06:08 PM
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what? cmn dude
OK? Maybe you want to expand on that a little more.

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05-02-2009, 06:24 PM
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I didn't read all the responses, but I hope a lot are questioning Bergeron being on that list? I would be more than happy to take Bergeron at that price.

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05-02-2009, 06:39 PM
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I didn't read all the responses, but I hope a lot are questioning Bergeron being on that list? I would be more than happy to take Bergeron at that price.
Yes. 2 out of every 3 posts have defended him.


I'm surprised no one has said anything about JP Dumont - 3 years @ 4 million. I thought he's played pretty well since joining Nashville?
66, 72, 65 points a season isn't half bad. Right? Or am I missing something?

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05-02-2009, 07:13 PM
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I had an off-the-wall idea for Briere.

To San Jose:

Danny Briere
James vanRiemsdyk
Randy Jones

To Philadelphia:

Joe Thornton
Brad Lukowich
Rights to Torrey Mitchell


Insane, or brilliant? I'd still like to do the Lupul and SJ's 3rd for Harding deal, if they could work, too. We'd have $5 million to sign a 3rd line winger and another goalie.

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05-02-2009, 07:25 PM
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Brian Campbell - 7 years @ 7.1 million cap hit
Cristobel Huet - 3 years @ 5.6 million
Ryan Smyth - 3 years @ 6.25 million
Brad Richards - 2 years @ 7.8 million
Sean Avery - 3 years @ 4 million
Shawn Horcoff - 4 years @ 6.5 million
Michal Handzus - 2 years @ 4 million
JP Dumont - 3 years @ 4 million
Rick Dipietro - 12 years @ 4.5 million
Scott Gomez - 4 years @ 7.357
Chris Drury - 3 years @ 7 million
Wade Redden - 5 years @ 6.5 million
Michal Rozsival - 3 years @ 5 million
Mike Fisher - 4 years @ 4.2 million
Daniel Briere - 6 years @ 6.5 million
Ed Jovanovski - 1 years@ 6.5 million
Jay McKee - 1 years @ 4 million
Vaclav Prospal - 3 years @ 3.5 million
Radim Vrbata - 2 years @ 3 million
Jason Blake - 3 years @ 4 million
Jeff Finger - 3 years @ 3.5 million
Michal Nylander - 2 years @ 4.9 million
Jose Theodore - 1 year @ 4.5

IMO, these might be difficult contracts to move right now
Horcoff's is 6 years @ 5.5 million. Don't know where you got 4 @ 6.5 from.

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05-02-2009, 07:32 PM
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JP Dumont - 3 years @ 4 million
Then it's a good thing Nashville has no interest whatsoever in moving their leading scorer.

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I had an off-the-wall idea for Briere.

To San Jose:

Danny Briere
James vanRiemsdyk
Randy Jones

To Philadelphia:

Joe Thornton
Brad Lukowich
Rights to Torrey Mitchell


Insane, or brilliant? I'd still like to do the Lupul and SJ's 3rd for Harding deal, if they could work, too. We'd have $5 million to sign a 3rd line winger and another goalie.
IMO SJ loses three pieces that are positives to the organization and Philly loses 1 in that deal.

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05-02-2009, 08:11 PM
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To San Jose:

Danny Briere
James vanRiemsdyk
Randy Jones

To Philadelphia:

Joe Thornton
Brad Lukowich
Rights to Torrey Mitchell
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To San Jose:
Danny Briere
James vanRiemsdyk

To Philadelphia:
Joe Thornton

Too much? IMO, that's a great great deal for San Jose if they determine they can't win with Thornton and they need to add some youth. I have no idea why Philadelphia would want Thornton though with Carter and Richards on the roster. Carter is growing into a great #1 center, and Richard's is one of the best #2 centers in the game. Philadelphia doesn't need another #1 center, Briere (IMO) can play wing, and losing a potential top-line winger in James vanRiemsdyk for Thornton makes no sense to me.

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05-02-2009, 08:17 PM
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To San Jose:
Danny Briere
James vanRiemsdyk

To Philadelphia:
Joe Thornton

Too much? IMO, that's a great great deal for San Jose if they determine they can't win with Thornton and they need to add some youth. I have no idea why Philadelphia would want Thornton though with Carter and Richards on the roster. Carter is growing into a great #1 center, and Richard's is one of the best #2 centers in the game. Philadelphia doesn't need another #1 center, Briere (IMO) can play wing, and losing a potential top-line winger in James vanRiemsdyk for Thornton makes no sense to me.
Well I'm alright with that. Part of the thing is Philadelphia can put Gagne on Thornton's wing for a while and only take back a little bit of salary. Giroux could play on Richards' wing instead of playing center.

The MOST important thing for the Flyers with this deal is that Joe Thornton has TWO more years on his contract. At that point Flyers that need new contracts: Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter, Claude Giroux, Andreas Nodl, Luca Sbisa, Michael Ratchuk, and Kevin Marshall. We're talking about a LOT of serious prospects and top end players that will need new deals. Currently with Briere the Flyers are in danger of losing Gagne because of Carter and Giroux. At that point it would allow us to choose between Gagne and Thorton.

I'd like to get something back from the Sharks though like a 3rd or 2nd in 2010 or something like that. Maybe a mid-range prospect. Maybe it's asking too much, but I'd do that original deal. The thing is JVR is a top 10 NHL prospect. That's something that shouldn't be taken lightly. I'd love to get at least some future out of him. I mean we could get a lot for him if we trade him.

If Flyers can move Lupul as well and re-sign Knuble they're looking something like this:

Gagne (5.25) - Thornton (7.20) - Knuble (2.30~)
Hartnell (4.20) - Carter (5.00) - Nodl (0.85)
Powe (0.52) - Richards (5.75) - Giroux (0.82)
Carcillo (0.88) - Kalinski (0.88) - Asham (0.64)

Timonen (6.33) - Parent (0.86)
Coburn (1.30) - Carle (3.44)
Sbisa (0.88) - Marshall (0.88)

That's about 47.98m~

Plenty of room to go after goalies, and upgrade the defense.


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Well I'm alright with that. Part of the thing is Philadelphia can put Gagne on Thornton's wing for a while and only take back a little bit of salary. Giroux could play on Richards' wing instead of playing center.

The MOST important thing for the Flyers with this deal is that Joe Thornton has TWO more years on his contract. At that point Flyers that need new contracts: Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter, Claude Giroux, Andreas Nodl, Luca Sbisa, Michael Ratchuk, and Kevin Marshall. We're talking about a LOT of serious prospects and top end players that will need new deals. Currently with Briere the Flyers are in danger of losing Gagne because of Carter and Giroux. At that point it would allow us to choose between Gagne and Thorton.

I'd like to get something back from the Sharks though like a 3rd or 2nd in 2010 or something like that. Maybe a mid-range prospect. Maybe it's asking too much, but I'd do that original deal.
Ah. I see your point now.
The question is: Is Thornton - Carter - Richards good enough down the middle to cover up the lack of wingers? Gagne, Giroux and Lupal is pretty good, but is that good enough to go deep in the playoffs?

Is it better then Crosby - Malkin - Staal?
Boston is the top seed in the east, in part, because of their strength down the middle. But they also have Ryder, Lucic, Kessel, Wheeler, Kobasew, and now Recchi on the wings. That's a good group, they also have a good defensive core and Vezina finalist in net.

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IMO SJ loses three pieces that are positives to the organization and Philly loses 1 in that deal.
Philly loses a 70-80 pt. center AND one of the best prospects in hockey. Are you serious?

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Ed Jovanovski does NOT belong on this list. He had a CAREER year just LAST season and has been named to the All-Star team two out of the last three seasons.

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Ah. I see your point now.
The question is: Is Thornton - Carter - Richards good enough down the middle to cover up the lack of wingers? Gagne, Giroux and Lupal is pretty good, but is that good enough to go deep in the playoffs?

Is it better then Crosby - Malkin - Staal?
Boston is the top seed in the east, in part, because of their strength down the middle. But they also have Ryder, Lucic, Kessel, Wheeler, Kobasew, and now Recchi on the wings. That's a good group, they also have a good defensive core and Vezina finalist in net.
I hope you're not asking a serious question...

Are you asking me if Thornton - Carter - Richards is better down the middle than Malkin - Crosby - Staal? I'm pretty confident that Richards - Carter - Giroux can keep up and compete with Malkin - Crosby - Staal, and even while Richards and Carter aren't as good offensively as Crosby and Malkin they are more solid defensively and Giroux is as good defensively as Staal while bringing more offensive potential. Thornton puts the Flyers over the top down the middle.

Gagne, Hartnell, Lupul/Knuble, and Giroux are quality top 6 wingers. Better than anything Pittsburgh has or will have.

Boston has a solid group of wingers obviously, but the Flyers are also very good on the outsides.

I'm confident in our offense. Our defense and goaltending is a whole other story.

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I hope you're not asking a serious question...

Are you asking me if Thornton - Carter - Richards is better down the middle than Malkin - Crosby - Staal? I'm pretty confident that Richards - Carter - Giroux can keep up and compete with Malkin - Crosby - Staal, and even while Richards and Carter aren't as good offensively as Crosby and Malkin they are more solid defensively and Giroux is as good defensively as Staal while bringing more offensive potential. Thornton puts the Flyers over the top down the middle.

Gagne, Hartnell, Lupul/Knuble, and Giroux are quality top 6 wingers. Better than anything Pittsburgh has or will have.

Boston has a solid group of wingers obviously, but the Flyers are also very good on the outsides.

I'm confident in our offense. Our defense and goaltending is a whole other story.
No, I was trying to bring that to light.

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Miikka Kiprusoff's contract is almost immovable.

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Horcoff's hit is 5.5 not 6.5

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Im pretty sure Ryan Malone 4.5 for 6 more seasons is the worst contract in the league.

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The stars have absolutely no interest in moving Richards.

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