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Flyers Offseason Target/Rumor List

Sorry if this belongs in another thread, but I thought it'd be good to compare who we are looking at going into and throughout the offseason versus what the Flyers organization might actually give hints at doing and actually does in the end.

That being said, you guys have complete control. Tell me who you want to see added to one of our potential Flyers, how we can get him (or relatively how much on the market), and how he would help our team versus how much we would have to give up to acquire him. If it's something beyond unreasonable like trading for Lundqvist it will get vetoed. So basically who do you think we can get that you would like to see in whatever role for the Flyers next year.

(if you have any problems with the current lines, depth chart, etc just post how you think it should stand)

Playoff Depth Chart:
Gagne - Richards - Knuble
Hartnell - Carter - Lupul
Powe - Giroux - Briere
Carcillo - Ross - Asham
Cote

Timonen - Parent
Coburn - Carle
Jones - Alberts
Sbisa

Biron
Niittymaki

Offseason Current Chart
(I based wingers off just call-up possibility from left wing to right wing for next year when it came to prospects. I.E. Kalinski is a winger but he played 4th center effectively for us before getting injured IRC)

Gagne (5.25)* - Richards (5.75)* - Briere (6.50)
Hartnell (4.20)* - Carter (5.00)* - Lupul (4.25)
Carcillo (0.89) - Giroux (0.82)* - Powe (0.45)
Cote (0.55) - Kalinski (0.88) - Asham (0.64)
Nodl (0.85) - Matsumoto (0.60) - vanRiemsdyk (3.00~?)#
Maroon (0.53) - _______ - Laliberte (0.52)

Timonen (6.33)* - Parent (0.86)*
Coburn (1.30)* - Carle (3.44)
Sbisa (0.88)# - Jones (2.70)
Marshall (0.88) - Ratchuk (0.85)
Lehtivuori (0.85) - Bartulis (0.58)

Backlund (0.80)
Duchesne (0.53)
Teslak (0.93)

*Denotes relatively untouchable based on value not clauses
#Denotes valuable but not necessarily untouchable for the right price

UFA LIST:
W--Knuble (2.80), Gratton (0.55), Kane (0.50)
C--N/A
D--Alberts (1.25), Kukkonen (0.88), Hatcher (3.50),
G--Biron (3.50), Niittymaki (1.23), Aubin (0.55), Munroe (0.45)

RFA LIST:
W--Raduns (0.56)
C--Ross (0.50)
D--Syvret (0.56), Guenin (0.56)
G--N/A

-----------------------POTENTIAL MOVES-----------------------
Re-Sign Mike Knuble (RW)
--Why: Valuable part of our offensive depth despite being over 35, 20+ goal scorer, inexpensive
--How: Clear up cap space possibly by trading Jones or Lupul
--Price: Sign him to a short term contract at a discount to his current deal with more in bonuses since at 35+ they don't count against the cap (~2.00-2.80?)
--Reason: Holmgren has mentioned that he is currently in talks with Knuble's camp

Re-Sign Martin Biron (G)
--Why: May be the best possible option short term for our goaltending situation available
--How: Re-sign him to a reasonable contract depending on length and money
--Price: According to sources he wants 5.00m for a number of years, but many feel that such a price is too expensive for someone like Biron
--Reasoning: Holmgren has mentioned that he is currently in talks with Biron's camp

Trade for Rights/Sign Jay Bouwmeester (D)
--Why: We could certainly use a guy like Bouwmeester on the blueline
--How: Either a combination of Jones, Lupul, and Carle would likely have new homes or a long shot for Briere to waive his NMC in order to clear up cap space, from there possibly trade for his rights at the draft using draft picks and conditional draft picks and maybe a solid player i.e. Carle for salary purposes
--Price: price is all over the board but he has mentioned he wants to play for a winning organization, to trade for his rights will cost us some draft picks and maybe a roster player, could go anywhere from 6.00m to 7.50m in cap hit
--Reasoning: Holmgren has mentioned that he will be going after Bouwmeester's rights at the draft

Sign Nikolai Khabibulin (G)
--Why: Need of a Starting Goaltender
--How: UFA signing and we would obviously not re-sign Biron, another player would also like need to go like Jones
--Price: Earns $6.75MM this season and he won't be cheap, hopefully agrees to an incentive-laden 1-2 year contract at a price decently under his prior salary cap hit
--Reasoning: He's done it before, he's available and he's exactly what we need, an experienced starting goaltender who is still on top of his game (he's been the second best even strength goalie this season).

Trade for Tomas Vokoun (G)
--Why? Need of a starting goaltender
--How: Trade whatever we can that is available and not overpayment, it must include a player of relatively decent salary.
--Price: He earns 5.75 for the next few years.
--Reasoning: For some reason he's fallen out of favor with Deboer already despite facing a million shots a game and could be had while dishing other salary.

Sign Francois Beauchemin (D)
--Why: He is a solid 2nd pair d-man, logs big minutes (24:43 for his career)
--How: UFA, who may come at a discount since he missed most of the year.
--Price: Is coming off a torn ACL so may be a low risk high reward defenseman and is easily a top 4 defenseman. If price is right may not even have to drop Carle but Jones certainly would have to go. Maybe anywhere between $2.00m to $3.00m?
--Reasoning: Solid 2nd-pair d-man, who can take the load off of anyone in any situation. Jack of all trades on defense, master of none. And we WILL be able to fit him under the cap at a good contract.

Sign Steve Montador (D)
--Why: Great 3rd pairing guy, replaces Alberts and adds a little experience (29 yrs old) to a young defense squad.
-- How: Free agency signing.
-- Price: Whatever his agent and Holmgren agree on, as long as it doesn't include a NTC. Somewhere around $1.00m to $1.50m
-- Reasoning: I personally feel the Flyers lack some serious back end toughness. I think he'd pair up quite nicely with Sbisa, should the kid make the club next season.

Sign Sammi Pahlsson (C)
--Why: this team got killed in the faceoff dot during the playoffs.
--How: FA signing, He wouldn't be too expensive at all so not much would have to get moved.
--Price: Somewhere around 3 years 1.75 million per sounds good.
--Reasoning: Flyers might be looking for a guy who can win an important faceoff for once.

Trade for Rights/Sign Josh Harding (G)
--Why: Flyers need immediate help at the goalie position and he could either try to compete for a job now or at the very least be an upgrade to Niittymaki at the backup spot
--How: Trade a piece that Minnesota could use
--Price: Likely a forward to Minnesota as well as anywhere between $1.00m and $2.00m to sign.
--Reasoning: Minnesota needs help at the forward position and a guy like Lupul would help their offense as well as clear out space from Philadelphia, the Wild just signed their starter for a HUGE long-term contract and Harding is likely available.

Sign P.J. Axelsson (RW)
--Why: Good depth winger for cheap despite being 34, he is solid both ways
--How: Sign him to a cheap contract
--Price: Somewhere around $1.00m a season?
--Reasoning: The Flyers could use that cheap "shut-down" guy, would make a nice 3rd line addition if he doesn't go back to Sweden

Trade for Jaroslav Halak (G)
--Why: young goalie with good upside, he could be a solid cheap back up and compete for the starting job in later years
-- How: Trade whatever
-- Price: 775K for one more season, along with maybe a roster player to acquire him, Montreal has plenty of cap room with a lot of players with ending contracts
-- Reasoning: He is a young goalie with an inexpensive price tag, He has good upside so he could potentially be a starter in the future, if not, we got a nice backup at a great price for next year.





...alright you guys got the basic gist of it by now. I'm going to keep adding as they come. There are some more obvious ones, but I didn't feel like writing them all out. I will get it it eventually.

I'm partially doing this for my own benefit to keep track of rumors and possibilities during the offseason to put another solid team on the ice. It's impossible to keep up with the rate of good ideas for pick ups flowing through every offseason thread we seem to have. Obviously Holmgren has his staff looking at possibilities day and night, so I want to see if all of us can cover the possibilities that Holmgren has in mind for this team.


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Sign Nikolai Khabibulin (G)
-- Why: Need of a Starting Goaltender
-- How: UFA - Signing
-- Price: Earns $6.75MM this season and he won't be cheap, hopefully agrees to an incentive-laden one-year contract
-- Reasoning: He's done it before, he's available and he's exactly what we need, an experienced starting goaltender who is still on top of his game (he's been the second best even strength goalie this season).

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Trade for Tomas Vokoun (G)
--Why? Need of a starting goaltender
-- How: Trade Lupul/1st/Nodl/whatever
-- Price: He earns 5.75 for the next few years.
-- Reasoning: FOr some reason he's fallen out of favor with Deboer already despite facing a million shots a game and could be had while dishing other salary(Lupul/Jones).

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Sign Nikolai Khabibulin (G)
-- Why: Need of a Starting Goaltender
-- How: UFA - Signing
-- Price: Earns $6.75MM this season and he won't be cheap, hopefully agrees to an incentive-laden one-year contract
-- Reasoning: He's done it before, he's available and he's exactly what we need, an experienced starting goaltender who is still on top of his game (he's been the second best even strength goalie this season).
I want no parts of this guy....especially for what it is going to cost to get him. He has had two good years in the last several, those two happened to be contract years..

As for the original post, I am honestly not sure who to even say to target with the cap situation.

If Jbo can be had without tearing up the team, obviously I say go for it and I am all for moving some combination or all three of Jones, Lupul, Carle to make it happen. Just think, if you have a top 4 of Timonen/Coburn, Parent/Jbo you can go with a really young and really cheap bottom pairing like Sbisa and a Bodrov or someone along those lines.

I also want a faceoff specialist....My favorite has been Malhotra, but it looks like Columbus is hot to re-sign him. San Jose might be making some big changes, is someone like Goc available?

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Trade for Tomas Vokoun (G)
--Why? Need of a starting goaltender
-- How: Trade Lupul/1st/Nodl/whatever
-- Price: He earns 5.75 for the next few years.
-- Reasoning: FOr some reason he's fallen out of favor with Deboer already despite facing a million shots a game and could be had while dishing other salary(Lupul/Jones).
I wouldnt be opposed to this. Maybe trade to get the rights to JBo, and Vokoun for Lupul, Jones/Carle, picks and prospects. That way you get some exclusive time with JBo. Worth the risk IMO

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I want Vokoun and Jay-Bo the most, however, it is almost impossible to get both unless we lose Lupul and Carle/Jones, which I would be ok with.

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Here's the moves I'd make and the team I want looking forward:

First and foremost, FIRE Stevens (the first time I've actualy advocated this move) and Hire Craig McTavish as coach. I think he'd bring a team defense mentality and we'd see better play in our own zone and less stress on our goalies and dmen.

Second, draft Zach Kassian with our 1st rnd pick. Of the guys likely available at arounf pick #22, he's probably the best available and fills a hole in the RW prospect pool. If he's not available then a center, possibly Palmieri (center is another spot we are weak prospect wise).

Third, trade Bourdon and 2010 1st for Halak in Montreal.

Forth, resign Nitty for 2 years 3.5 mil.

Fifth, resign Knuble for 2 years, 4 mil (2 mil per year with the under-the-table agreement to give him a job in the organization after he reitres, you know we do this with our team players).

08/09 roster:
Hartnell - Carter - Lupul (13.45 mil total)
Gagne - Richards - Knuble (13.0 mil total)
Nodl - Giroux - Briere (8.17 mil total)
Carcillo - Powe - Asham (2.05 mil total)
Cote (0.55 mil)

Timonen - Parent (7.19 mil total)
Coburn - Carle (4.74 mil total)
Jones - Sbisa (3.64 mil total)
Guenin/Ratchuk (0.85 mil max)

Nitty - Halak (2.53 mil total)

TOTAL CAP HIT = 56.17 mil. JVR spends most if not all of the year in the AHL.

At the end of the 09/10 season we trade Lupul and Carle for a mid 1st each. Sbisa takes Carles spot on the 2nd pairing and JVR takes Lupuls spot on the top 6 (with Hartnell swapping sides). Jones walks and Coburn is signed for 2 years, 5.5 mil (takes Jones' contract). Parent is signed for 2 year, 2.6 mil (Coburns old contract). Marshall takes Jones spot on the bottom pairing (at 0.85 mil he costs exactly what Parent did the previous year). Sign a decent bottom pairing dman at 1 year, 1.75 mil. Halak takes over starting job from Nitty. Total cap hit = 53.48 mil.

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Sign Francois Beauchemin (D)
Why: He is a solid 2nd pair d-man, logs big minutes (24:43 for his career)
How: UFA, who may come at a discount since he missed most of the year.
Reasoning: Solid 2nd-pair d-man, who can take the load off of anyone in any situation. Jack of all trades on defense, master of none. And we WILL be able to fit him under the cap at a good contract.

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Sign Steve Montador (D)
--Why?: Great 3rd pairing guy, replaces Alberts and adds a little experience (29 yrs old) to a young defense squad.
-- How: Free agency signing.
-- Price: Whatever his agent and Holmgren agree on, as long as it doesn't include a NTC.
-- Reasoning: I personally feel the Flyers lack some serious back end toughness. I think he'd pair up quite nicely with Sbisa, should the kid make the club next season.

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Sign Francois Beauchemin (D)
Why: He is a solid 2nd pair d-man, logs big minutes (24:43 for his career)
How: UFA, who may come at a discount since he missed most of the year.
Reasoning: Solid 2nd-pair d-man, who can take the load off of anyone in any situation. Jack of all trades on defense, master of none. And we WILL be able to fit him under the cap at a good contract.
GKJ, I actually agree with you here, solid idea.

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I think we can get him cheap and he will be solid.

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Signing Beauchemin would allow us to do quite a few things. He would not restrict us from doing other things as well. If we could manage to get him and Bouwmeester or even a step below him, our defense would go from being among the worst, to maybe 1-7, among the top 3 or 4 in the league.

I wanted Montador last year, but I think we need to do better than that this off-season. With Sbisa, Marshall, maybe Bourdon, maybe Bartulis, maybe Guenin, I think if we sign UFA D-men, they need to be a step above.

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I'd go for Montador, resign Marty (we can't afford to spend more than 4.5 or so on a goalie), trade Lupul and Jones.

I don't think we need a huge shakeup although if we could get a veteran here at the minimum, I wouldn't say no.

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First and foremost, FIRE Stevens (the first time I've actualy advocated this move) and Hire Craig McTavish as coach. I think he'd bring a team defense mentality and we'd see better play in our own zone and less stress on our goalies and dmen.


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Sign Francois Beauchemin (D)
I'd be fine with this as long as we move Carle. I don't think we could afford to keep Carle if we are signing him as a UFA plus we would have 5 dmen all trying to play in the top 4.

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I too think we need to get tougher on the back end and he might be a decent option. However, just like above, we'd almost HAVE to move someone, Jones in this case, to be able to afford him. If we have Sbisa on the bottom pairing next year then we don't need Jones as the bottom pairng puck mover/offensive threat. Sbisa can handle that responsibility. I'd probably only offer Montador a 1-year deal though, we'll need an expiring contract at the end of next season to give Coburn and Parent their pay raises. Also, Marshall will have had a full year in the AHL and should be ready for bottom pairing duties in the 2010/2011 season and he plays a fairly physical game.

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Signing Beauchemin would allow us to do quite a few things. He would not restrict us from doing other things as well. If we could manage to get him and Bouwmeester or even a step below him, our defense would go from being among the worst, to maybe 1-7, among the top 3 or 4 in the league.

I wanted Montador last year, but I think we need to do better than that this off-season. With Sbisa, Marshall, maybe Bourdon, maybe Bartulis, maybe Guenin, I think if we sign UFA D-men, they need to be a step above.

We are tight to the cap right now. Any salary we add at this point we have to shed equal salary to stay in compliance. The only way I can see us being able to afford Boumeester is if we move Briere and I really don't see that happening.

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Knuble, Alberts are gone. Waive Carcillo. Trade Jones. Should be enough room.

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I want no parts of this guy....especially for what it is going to cost to get him. He has had two good years in the last several, those two happened to be contract years..
It's not like he was awful during the other seasons. He has a career winning record (299-267) while having a losing record in only three of his thirteen NHL seasons, along with a 2.67 GAA and a 0.908 SV%. And he is even better during the playoffs, 64 games, 35 wins, 0.923 SV% and 2.32 GAA, and he has won the cup.

And I couldn't care less if it is a contract year when he wins the cup.

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sign Sammi Pahlsson

why? do you really need to ask? this team got killed in the faceoff dot during the faceoffs. How many critical faceoffs did the Flyers win?

how? FA signing. Yes they are overloaded at center. But I think Giroux can play wing.

Price 3 years 1.75 million per.

Trade Joffrey Lupul and a 2009 4th to Minnesota for Josh Harding

why? Niittymaki's hips are shot and IMO doesnt have any future in Philly. Who knows whats going to happen with Biron, and Harding would give the Flyers a decent and better option then Niittymaki for no worse then a backup goaltender in Philly.



Price? 2 years 1.25 million


sign PJ Axelsson
Why? I know he is probably a long shot to not go to Sweden or stay in Boston, but he is a guy who I would love to get. We dont have that pure shutdown guy.

Price? 2 years 1.75 million

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Knuble, Alberts are gone. Waive Carcillo. Trade Jones. Should be enough room.
waive Carcillo? you want to waive one of our best players during the playoffs?


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Knuble, Alberts are gone. Waive Carcillo. Trade Jones. Should be enough room.
I think Carcillo finally found the line he is not to cross. I think this team should keep him next year as he will hopefully continue to bring it.

Every other player mentioned I totally agree should be moved. I would trade Lupul before I waived Carcillo. Not because Carcillo is the better player, obviously he isn't, but because Lupul's "effort" and his contract just have no place on this team.

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I think Carcillo finally found the line he is not to cross. I think this team should keep him next year as he will hopefully continue to bring it.
In Game 6, that clearly was not so. Carcillo has shown he is useless when he is on that line, and sometimes crossing it. Don't need that here. Give me someone like Ian Lapperriere who has been doing the same job for years, and doesn't get suspended.

I can do better than Carcillo.

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By the way, if Carcillo really is considered 'one of the best' players in the playoffs, there is a serious problem that goes beyond managing and coaching.

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I want to see Lupul for Harding. I think its a pretty good deal for both sides.

I also would love to get Price...if Montreal has any thoughts of trading him this summer (which I doubt will happen) Holmgren needs to jump on it. Even if it takes someone like Carter, I'd be down for it.

Also, wouldn't mind picking up Schneider if Luongo gets signed this summer. Don't know what it would take, but he would be good if we pick up a vet (Khabi, Biron) and put Schneider in a backup role at first until he gets it. I think he's pretty close to a sure thing.


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