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05-03-2009, 03:09 PM
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Ways to Improve the IWHC.

1. Allow a best of 7 NHL style playoff format where the 1st seed plays the 16th seed & 2nd plays 15th; and so on and so on.
2. For every 2 goals Canada scores, it only counts as 1 goal.
3. For every single goal any other team scores against Canada, it counts as 2 goals. This allows for more even competition.
4. Every player did not make Canada's Olympic team,they must their names into an international database where by the opposition teams in the upcoming tourneys can draft them.


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What are your ideas to improve international ice hockey?

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None, if a team is the best at something, they likely deserve it. Besides, it's not like Canada is dominating everything, Russia won last year for a reason.

This is hockey, not some random arcardy stuff done just for the show. Your ideas are simply horrid and have absolutely nothing to do with improving the game or the World Championship.

One could think about a minor tweaking of the schedule, but that's about it. No need to change something that is working fine.

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Your ideas are simply horrid
Common, you are too serious

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2. For every 2 goals Canada scores, it only counts as 1 goal.
3. For every single goal any other team scores against Canada, it counts as 2 goals. This allows for more even competition.
4. Every player did not make Canada's Olympic team,they must their names into an international database where by the opposition teams in the upcoming tourneys can draft them
Canada is not that good actually. Yes, they usually have a slight advantage because of their depth, but any top team can beat them. Heck, Switzerland won 2-0 at 2006 Olympics.

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1. Allow a best of 7 NHL style playoff format where the 1st seed plays the 16th seed & 2nd plays 15th; and so on and so on.
2. For every 2 goals Canada scores, it only counts as 1 goal.
3. For every single goal any other team scores against Canada, it counts as 2 goals. This allows for more even competition.
4. Every player did not make Canada's Olympic team,they must their names into an international database where by the opposition teams in the upcoming tourneys can draft them.


and so on...

What are your ideas to improve international ice hockey?
So Russia would have beat Canada 8-4? And I am assuming it would have ended before the "5th" goal was scored in ot.

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Move the tournament to September so it can be a true world championship.

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You're overrating canada... And best of 7 would suck. No one would like to watch it...

Best way of improving it is to have it every other year instead of every year. Players would come more motivated and less players would turn it down.

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None, if a team is the best at something, they likely deserve it. Besides, it's not like Canada is dominating everything, Russia won last year for a reason.

This is hockey, not some random arcardy stuff done just for the show. Your ideas are simply horrid and have absolutely nothing to do with improving the game or the World Championship.

One could think about a minor tweaking of the schedule, but that's about it. No need to change something that is working fine.
A puck over the glass penalty in overtime?

My suggestion to improve the WHC's would be to hold it a little bit later, so that more NHL players can participate. You see teams like Canada, Russia, Sweden, USA, Finland, etc. not being able to bring their best players because a lot of them are still in the NHL playoffs.

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Canada is not that good actually. Yes, they usually have a slight advantage because of their depth, but any top team can beat them. Heck, Switzerland won 2-0 at 2006 Olympics.
The team that was brought to the 06 Olympics was poorly built. It was a large international ice surface, yet we brought larger players and tried to win with size. That works on an NHL sized ice surface, but on a larger rink you need more speed. We have speedy players, but we didn't bring them.

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Why is everyone always trying to "improve" the game? Be it NHL, Worlds, Olympics...

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No matter what quality the world champs are, they will always still be my reason for watching the NHL playoffs on tape later on.

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Best of 7? No NHL player would come.....It'll take months.

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They should have a tournament like the soccer world cup 32 teams

The top 16 teams in the Points for IIHF will qualify.
The rest of the world that are registered to the IIHF will have Continental qualifiers.(17 to 48). Out of them teams 16 will qualify.

Have divisions of 4(A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H) and that would make 8 divisions. Then two teams from each division will qualify to the Qualifying Round. Where Group A,B,C,D and in another group will have a division of 8(From divisions E,F,G,H) and will have a stage like the IIHF world championship. Then four teams will qualify in each Qualifying stage which will equal 8. 1st plays 4th 2nd vs 3rd in both divisions. Then the semis and the Final.

The Final two teams will end up playing a total of 9 games.

That is what i will think will bring people to the games. Some of them any way

Continental Qualifying Using 2008 Rankings
Europe(12 teams)-
Ukraine
France
Kazakhstan
Hungary
Poland
Lithuania
Netherlands
Estonia
Croatia
Romania
Great Britain
Serbia
Bulgaria
Belgium
Spain
Mexico (just to make it even teams)
Iceland
Ireland
Luxembourg
Greece
Bosnia
Armenia

Asia ( 3 teams)-
Japan
China
Korea
Israel
Turkey
DPR Korea
Mongolia

Australia and Africa (1 team) –
Australia
New Zealand
South Africa

Then the groups will be done by a random draw.





Don't bash it, it is just an idea


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Canada not that good? Haha.....How many times have the Russians won the World Championship the last 15 years.....ummm....try once. Since the Olympics allowed NHL players(1998), how many times have the Russians won? Try ZERO. All hype...no results.

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12 teams, not 16.

One preliminary round, not 2.

Play it 2 weeks later so all but 4-6 NHL teams can send players.

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Personally, I don't think it should be every year. It takes away from the value of this tournament.

I'd make it every other year.

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Canada not that good? Haha.....How many times have the Russians won the World Championship the last 15 years.....ummm....try once. Since the Olympics allowed NHL players(1998), how many times have the Russians won? Try ZERO. All hype...no results.
well Russia was the only team to play for a medal all four years, having won silver in 98, bronze in 02 and lost bronze in 06.

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Move the tournament to September so it can be a true world championship.
Best idea on this thread.

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september would guarantee less NHLers I suspect. the possibility of injury prior to the season would make GM's cringe. not that they are necessarily needed but it would be a deterrent of sorts.

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I think the best format for the WHC and Olympics would be to have a main round of 10 teams. Split into two groups of 5.
The top 6 ranked sides are guaranteed a place in the competition. Whereas the next 6 best play for the remaining 4 places to compete in the main round. With the sides missing out playing promotion relegation series with the next best 6 teams (top 2)(to stay in div 1 or sumfin). If this makes sense haha.

So based on the current world rankings.
Automatically Qualified
1 RUS
2 CAN
3 FIN
4 SWE
5 CZE
6 USA
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Playoff for qualification
7 SUI
8 SVK
9 BLR
10 NOR
11 GER
12 LAT
Last two teams play against next to best placed sides in a division.

So Based on my format the world championships groups would be like this.
Group A:Russia,Sweden,Czech,Slovakia,Norway
Group B:Canada,Finland,USA,Switzerland,Belarus

First Place each group straight into the Semi Final.
2cnd place plays third of other group with winners advancing to Semi Finals.

I think this would be the best format. Would mean every match counts

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Not making it every year would be a start.

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The only change I would make is to have it in September, you'd probably get more players to play in it that way.

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I think the best format for the WHC and Olympics would be to have a main round of 10 teams. Split into two groups of 5.
The top 6 ranked sides are guaranteed a place in the competition. Whereas the next 6 best play for the remaining 4 places to compete in the main round. With the sides missing out playing promotion relegation series with the next best 6 teams (top 2)(to stay in div 1 or sumfin). If this makes sense haha.

So based on the current world rankings.
Automatically Qualified
1 RUS
2 CAN
3 FIN
4 SWE
5 CZE
6 USA
---------------
Playoff for qualification
7 SUI
8 SVK
9 BLR
10 NOR
11 GER
12 LAT
Last two teams play against next to best placed sides in a division.

So Based on my format the world championships groups would be like this.
Group A:Russia,Sweden,Czech,Slovakia,Norway
Group B:Canada,Finland,USA,Switzerland,Belarus

First Place each group straight into the Semi Final.
2cnd place plays third of other group with winners advancing to Semi Finals.

I think this would be the best format. Would mean every match counts
What have you found this ranking list?

In IIHF official site, this is the current world ranking from 2008.

1. Canada
2. Russia
3. Sweden
4. Finland
5. Czech Republic
6. United States
7. Switzerland
8. Slovakia
9. Belarus
10. Germany
11. Latvia
12. Norway
13. Denmark
14. Italy
15. Slovenia


I wonder where you found your list?

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