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05-08-2009, 02:32 PM
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if there is ever expansion, they should try to increase the number of existing hockey fans that can afford and obtain tickets to live games. That would be served by putting a team in So. Ontario. Not Las Vegas.
Yes, we all know that. Any smart businessman would do that. But again, most people aren't looking at the big picture.

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Move the Leafs to Vegas. Make it five.

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Move the Leafs to Vegas. Make it five.
lmao, great idea.

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I can't help but feel that as Sens fans, we're on weak footing calling for the Coyotes to move... it wasn't so long ago we were in the same situation... luckily for us, our billionaire thought it could work and wanted to stay put

maybe it can't work in Phoenix, but let's not pretend that JB has ever considered whether it can or can't.

I want more teams in Canada, for starters, if the Coyotes move, let's look to Winnipeg first

Also, another team in So Ont is not going to attract a lot of new hockey fans. Most potential hockey fans in the area are already tapped and are current Leaf fans. Most of the new team's fanbase will be converted Leaf fans, and from the NHL's business standpoint, that means the only new revenue is from ticket sales. Frankly, it makes sense for the NHL to try to tap a fertile untapped market where they have a legitimate chance at creating a new hockey market rather than simply converting people who are already spending their money on the league. I think cities like Seattle or Portland could be very good hockey markets... the problem was the Bettman regime bypassed the border states and went straight to the sunshine/desert states.

Again, I want more teams in Canada, but from the NHL's pov, i understand why South Ont isn't a priority. The bitter irony is that if Canadian hockey fans cared less, we'd probably hold more clout.

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I can't help but feel that as Sens fans, we're on weak footing calling for the Coyotes to move... it wasn't so long ago we were in the same situation... luckily for us, our billionaire thought it could work and wanted to stay put

maybe it can't work in Phoenix, but let's not pretend that JB has ever considered whether it can or can't.

I want more teams in Canada, for starters, if the Coyotes move, let's look to Winnipeg first

Also, another team in So Ont is not going to attract a lot of new hockey fans. Most potential hockey fans in the area are already tapped and are current Leaf fans. Most of the new team's fanbase will be converted Leaf fans, and from the NHL's business standpoint, that means the only new revenue is from ticket sales. Frankly, it makes sense for the NHL to try to tap a fertile untapped market where they have a legitimate chance at creating a new hockey market rather than simply converting people who are already spending their money on the league. I think cities like Seattle or Portland could be very good hockey markets... the problem was the Bettman regime bypassed the border states and went straight to the sunshine/desert states.

Again, I want more teams in Canada, but from the NHL's pov, i understand why South Ont isn't a priority. The bitter irony is that if Canadian hockey fans cared less, we'd probably hold more clout.
First ottawa was not the only team there have been others in trouble at some point.Second i would like to see phoenix work and yes it could but how long do you give them.

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05-08-2009, 06:03 PM
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The arenas in Quebec City, Hamilton & Winnipeg are all too small to hold an NHL team & certainly don't have enough of the business luxuory boxes to draw enough revenue to maintain a team in todays NHL. NHL hockey is quickly becoming a billionaires game & I'm not sure that small markets can afford it, especially the ticket prices.

That being said Jim Balsillie is a billionnaire who can afford a few years of losing millions to establish a team but I'm quite sure that the NHL will force him to do it their way, not his. Afterall they do have a monopoly on NHL hockey in NA & they likely want the $50 mil franchise money from him. If the team doesn't stay in Phoenix I assume it will go to Las Vegas or Kansas who are both waiting for a franchise before another team comes to Canada. I also thought I heard that Canadian teams are not very good draws for American cities, they prefer to see other American teams. I wonder if Boston fans feel that way about Montreal or Buffalo with Ottawa?

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I can't help but feel that as Sens fans, we're on weak footing calling for the Coyotes to move... it wasn't so long ago we were in the same situation... luckily for us, our billionaire thought it could work and wanted to stay put

maybe it can't work in Phoenix, but let's not pretend that JB has ever considered whether it can or can't.

I want more teams in Canada, for starters, if the Coyotes move, let's look to Winnipeg first

Also, another team in So Ont is not going to attract a lot of new hockey fans. Most potential hockey fans in the area are already tapped and are current Leaf fans. Most of the new team's fanbase will be converted Leaf fans, and from the NHL's business standpoint, that means the only new revenue is from ticket sales. Frankly, it makes sense for the NHL to try to tap a fertile untapped market where they have a legitimate chance at creating a new hockey market rather than simply converting people who are already spending their money on the league. I think cities like Seattle or Portland could be very good hockey markets... the problem was the Bettman regime bypassed the border states and went straight to the sunshine/desert states.

Again, I want more teams in Canada, but from the NHL's pov, i understand why South Ont isn't a priority. The bitter irony is that if Canadian hockey fans cared less, we'd probably hold more clout.
I'm glad that the league didn't take this view when they were considering Ottawa's franchise bid. It was a market that was already saturated with Canadiens and Leafs fans who were traveling to games and already spending their money on NHL merchandise.

I think the league could afford to give up one of its many weak southern franchises for a can't miss market with rock solid ownership. Enough with propping up these southern teams while waiting for a major television deal to fall out of the sky. A team in SW Ontario would sell out every night, and there would probably be a long waiting list for season tickets for years to come.

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T.......If Pittsburgh never got their arena, they were probably done, ........
Actually I don't think they got their new arena yet. Matter fact I don't think they've even put shovel to ground on the casino either. Pittsburgh is still in Pittsburgh because their team is good again. Once they start sucking for 5 years or so, new arena or not they'll be looking to move again.

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Actually I don't think they got their new arena yet. Matter fact I don't think they've even put shovel to ground on the casino either. Pittsburgh is still in Pittsburgh because their team is good again. Once they start sucking for 5 years or so, new arena or not they'll be looking to move again.
Speaking of Pittsburgh, what is the deal with their fans wearing white when the visiting team is wearing white? It makes no sense to me.

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Can we please stop talking about Las Vegas as a hockey market? How is Phoenix really that different from Las Vegas? Vegas has 1.8 million hockey-ambiguous Americans in it, much fewer than the Hamilton and surrounding areas (read "toronto"). Plus, last I checked, tourists don't buy season tickets.

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Actually I don't think they got their new arena yet. Matter fact I don't think they've even put shovel to ground on the casino either. Pittsburgh is still in Pittsburgh because their team is good again. Once they start sucking for 5 years or so, new arena or not they'll be looking to move again.
new rink scheduled to open not next season, but the season after.

http://penguins.nhl.com/arena/index.htm

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The NHL hates Balsillie ans will do everything it can to stop him from ever acquiring a franchise.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=277920

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Daly suggested that Balsillie may regret his plan of attack.

"He makes his own decisions and he's making a decision that this is the way he wants to get into the National Hockey League. We don't usually like to pick fights, but we end them."
Balsillie is only doing things the way he is because he knows full well that Buttman and Daly don't want him to disrupt their little country club. Bettman would much rather one of his friends from the NBA came in and kept the team in a dry, but american, market.

It sickens me.

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05-08-2009, 10:23 PM
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I'd certainly welcome another team to Canada, but this whole ordeal just feels like it will be a neverending court battle. I wouldn't even begin to understand all of the legal mumbo-jumbo...

Gotta feel bad for Coyote fans, though - can certainly feel for what they are going through. Plus the city of Glendale for building a brand new arena that may be empty in a year or two - wonder how much that will set taxpayers back. Maybe the Phoenix Suns can play there?

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Whoops, sorry egg. Didn't mean to bust your balls on your 1000th post. Congrats, by the way.
No worries. I love heated debates and being in the middle of them (not that there was anything remotely close to a heated debate going on in this thread). I'm right in my element when that occurs, though. I was always told by teachers that I was born to be a politician with how I love debating, even though I may have many people vehemently opposing my opinion. In other words--I love having my balls busted, haha. Nothing is worse than having people agree with everything you say or laugh at all your jokes all the time. I personally hate that guy/girl.

I didn't even notice breaking the 1000 post level until I read your post, to boot.
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I can't help but feel that as Sens fans, we're on weak footing calling for the Coyotes to move... it wasn't so long ago we were in the same situation... luckily for us, our billionaire thought it could work and wanted to stay put

maybe it can't work in Phoenix, but let's not pretend that JB has ever considered whether it can or can't.
Rod Bryden made that point in a recent article, saying that the league needs to be able to decide about relocation and offer some protection for fan bases. Bryden said that small market Canadian teams benefit the most; for example were it not for NHL regulations an American business man who owned an arena somewhere could just
swoop in and buy and move the team on a whim.

There is actulaly a pretty good article about this in the Star.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/631996

By 1999, Ottawa owner Rod Bryden, citing taxes and the weak Canadian dollar, was pressuring the federal government to bail out Canadian-based NHL clubs, and he almost succeeded when Industry Minister John Manley announced a $20 million subsidy package to help teams like Vancouver, which had lost $45 million over three years. Manley, however, got cold feet and backed out of the plan three days later.

Around the same time, nobody in Quebec or Canada wanted to buy the Montreal Canadiens, and it seemed all the teams in the Great White North except for the Maple Leafs were endangered.

Safe to say, nobody was talking about putting more NHL teams in Canada.

Bettman's administration responded to the crisis by instituting the Canadian Assistance Program to offset the discrepancy between the U.S. and Canadian dollars, a plan that remained in effect until 2004. All six Canadian teams survived.


Its interesting to note that while Bettman and the NHL did step up to save the small market Canadian teams, some of the media outlets(CBC and Globe and Mail) screaming loudest for another Canadian team and backing Balsilles efforts, were fine with Ottawa losing the Senators . Don Cherry said that Ottawa should not have had a franchise in the first place, it who should have gone to Hamilton.

Much the same arguments were made then about weak sisters not deserving a team as we are hearing now, except that it was aimed toward the small market Canadian teams then rather than the teams in the south as it is today.

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