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05-09-2009, 01:16 PM
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Sorry boys, was away and didn't get a PM anyway.

Anyway, Boston selects RW Helmut Balderis and C Kent Nilsson.
Balderis was picked in the 16th round by Wiser. But you can have Nilsson.

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05-09-2009, 02:30 PM
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I bet I know who Balderis' replacement will be.

The Kimberley Dynamiters add a player who has gradually gained respect throughout the ATD process, working his way up from MLD #7 to a starting spot last Draft...

D Doug Barkley

Barkley's big frame, offensive prowess, and willingness to throw his weight around make him a great partner for Mike Grant. Unlike a couple of the other options out there for big defensemen who can score, Barkley was, by all reports, a character guy and relentless physical player:

"This was the best Detroit effort of the three games against the Canadiens after losing 6-4 and 5-1. The Wings were skating better never allowing the Habs to control the game with Doug Barkley and Gadsby really throwing their weight around at the blue line."- Nov. 10 1963 game report, Pat Curran

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05-09-2009, 02:43 PM
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Do you know which year or approximately what time of his career Stanley was playing RW or D?
No, I don't. But my understanding of the era is that many players rotated positions mid game.

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05-09-2009, 02:59 PM
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Who can take a list?

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No, I don't. But my understanding of the era is that many players rotated positions mid game.
You're right, but at the same time, so many of the great hockey players from that ERA was playing forward and defense at the same time, it's tough to give Stanley a break for his sub-par stats (compare to his ERA great), but not give credit the others. If stats tell an incomplete story, I would have love to read quotes or more infos of him, but I found very few on him. I am not trying to discredit Stanley, he must have been a great hockey player as he was inducted in the HHOF as early as 1962. Just trying to see the complete picture of his hockey career

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You're right, but at the same time, so many of the great hockey players from that ERA was playing forward and defense at the same time, it's tough to give Stanley a break for his sub-par stats (compare to his ERA great), but not give credit the others. If stats tell an incomplete story, I would have love to read quotes or more infos of him, but I found very few on him. I am not trying to discredit Stanley, he must have been a great hockey player as he was inducted in the HHOF as early as 1962. Just trying to see the complete picture of his hockey career
Unfortunatly, no. Having trouble finding good info on him.

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05-09-2009, 03:27 PM
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According to The Trail, Stanley "reached his peak in 1917 playing RW on a line with Mickey Mackay and Gordon Roberts". It goes on to list the linemates he had on various other teams throughout his career. There is no mention of him playing defense in his bio.

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The Oilers se;ect D-man Mattis Norstrom and LW Kirk Maltby

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the kenora thistles are pleased to round out their 3rd offensive line by adding an early-era, pure goal-scorer...

tommy smith (c/rw)

A pure goal-scorer in every professional league he played in, Smith lead the NHA in scoring twice (1913-1914, 1914-1915) and sits fourth in NHA scoring with 143 goals in 95 games played.

A little more detail on Tommy Smith, as compared to his NHA peers...

When comparing NHA careers, Smith sits fourth in goals behind Joe Malone, Newsy Lalonde, and Didier Pitre – outscoring both Jack Darragh and Odie Cleghorn (all of which were drafted much earlier in the atd). Smith however, turned to coaching when these greats were making a name for themselves in the NHL. The following tables provide a statistical comparison (all stats courtesy of ‘Legends of Hockey’) between Smith, Malone, and Lalonde. In the five years in which these three played in the NHA (1912-1917), Smith led the league in scoring twice (1913-14, 1914-15). Smith, a linemate of Malone, was also a key component of the dominant 1912-1913 Quebec Bulldogs Stanley Cup winning team. He was a goal-scoring dynamo, leading numerous professional leagues in goal-scoring including: NHA, MPHA, IHL, and OPHL(a year in which Lalonde racked up 29 goals).

TOMMY SMITH
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11OPHL182222
1911-12MPHA185353
1912-13NHA183939
1913-14NHA203945
1914-15NHA194044
1915-16NHA221619
1916-17NHA14711

JOE MALONE
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11NHA1399
1911-12NHA182121
1912-13NHA204343
1913-14NHA172428
1914-15NHA121621
1915-16NHA242535
1916-17NHA194149

NEWSY LALONDE
YearLeagueGPGoalsPoints
1910-11NHA161919
1911-12PCHA152727
1912-13NHA182525
1913-14NHA142227
1914-15NHA747
1915-16NHA242834
1916-17NHA182835

NHA Career Goals Leaders

PlayerGPGoals
Joe Malone124179
Newsy Lalonde108163
Didier Pitre127156
Tommy Smith95143
Odie Cleghorn120134
Jack Darragh131124


Finally, When referencing Lalonde's 9 goal game, “Legends of Hockey” states:
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On March 11, 1910, he scored nine goals in one game, an NHA record that was never beaten and only equaled by Tommy Smith.
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Tommy Smith first got involved in hockey in high school, playing for the St. Patrick's Lycaeum team in Ottawa. His first big-league break was with the Ottawa Victorias of the Federal league in 1905-06, and he tied for the league lead in goals with 12. He hooked up with the Ottawa Silver Seven at the end of that season, scoring six goals in three games and getting his name on the Stanley Cup. An offer from Pittsburgh of the International Professional Hockey League took him south of the border for the next three years, followed by tours of duty in Brantford, Cobalt, Galt and Moncton.

By 1912, the Quebec Bulldogs were hot for the budding superstar, figuring he would be the ideal left winger for their superstar, Joe Malone. In his first season in Quebec, Smith scored 39 goals -- just four less than league-leading Malone -- and he drank from the Stanley Cup for a second time.

In 1913-14, Smith led the league with 39 goals in 20 games, including a 9-goal splurge against the Montreal Wanderers on January 21. Smith was eventually made team captain, only to be shuffled off to the Montreal Canadiens with Harry Mummery in 1916. He retired at the end of the 1916-17 season, but made a comeback with the Bulldogs in 1919-20 after coaching at the senior level for a couple of years.

Because of his small stature, Smith was not inclined to rough it up the way his older brothers Alf and Harry did. On more than one occasion, though, Tommy surprised some of the more rugged types in the league when they tried to slap him around. Smith was also the top face-off man of his era.

After he retired from hockey, this shy and unassuming man carved out a fine career at the National Research Council in Ottawa. He passed away in 1966 after a failed kidney stone operation.

In 187 recorded games, Smith scored 314 goals. He is a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame.

MOST UNDERRATED
Tommy Smith was overshadowed by better-known teammates for the better part of his career, most notably in Quebec, where he played alongside the likes of Joe Malone and Joe Hall. Smith quietly carved out a Hall of Fame career, scoring 240 goals in 159 games.
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Tommy joined the Ottawa Vics of the Federal Amateur Hockey League in 1906 and led the league in scoring with 12 goals in eight games. He was asked to fill in for his brother Harry on the Silver Seven roster for three games that year and he scored a total of six goals including four in one game against Montreal. He made enough of an impression that he was asked to stay on and play in the first game of the Stanley Cup challenge series against Smiths Falls. For his efforts, Smith is recognized as a member of the 1906 Ottawa Cup winning team.

He turned pro with Pittsburgh of the IHL the following season and led the league in scoring with 33 goals in only 16 games. He moved from league to league and team to team during the next five seasons but his goal-scoring prowess always followed him. He counted 40 more goals in 13 games, including a nine-goal outburst in a game against Galt, as a member of the Brantford Redmen of the OPHL in 1909-10 and tallied 53 times in 18 games for the Moncton Victorias of the MPHL in 1911-12. He led Moncton to the league championship that season and gained the attention of the Quebec Bulldogs who successfully defended a Cup challenge from Moncton that spring.

Smith settled in for a five-year career in the National Hockey Association from 1912-13 to 1916-17, playing mainly with the Bulldogs, and posted back-to-back 39 goals seasons in his first two years in the league. He played on his second Cup winner as a member of the Quebec squad in 1913.

Tommy Smith was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1973.


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05-09-2009, 03:47 PM
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Tommy Smith is an incredible selection! Since I took O'Connor he was not in my plans, but he's an incredible selection at this time in the draft.

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05-09-2009, 03:59 PM
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D Calle Johansson.

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One thing you have to remember is that there may not have been greater depth for a role, ever, than there was for gifted playmaking centres in the 80s, when Broten played. I don't think Weight does it five times playing in the 80s. (Although I can't deny the talent of someone who finished tied for fifth in assists in 95-96). When you take a look at the competition, you see names like Gretzky, Savard, Stastny, Hawerchuk (whose assist totals would have climbed significantly with a comparable linemate), Trottier, Messier, Dionne and Perreault early in Broten's career, and then Mario, Yzerman, Gilmour, Oates and Francis later in Broten's peak years. And, of course, there were players at other positions who finished in the top 10 for assists.
That is important to consider. However:

a) Weight did have to compete on the assist leaderboard with a lot of those same guys, and

b) I don't see that the competition there can be used to bridge a 5-1 gap.

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That's because he was an RW/D.
I looked around and his Trail bio says nothing about him playing D except that he subbed on D in the 1926 playoffs with Edmonton.

Also, positions are listed in all playoff games of the era, and he made the playoffs almost every season. He is always listed as either "RW", "LW", or "F" aside from that 1926 playoff in the twilight of his career.

I suppose it is possible that he played a bunch of defense in the regular season and then became a forward in the playoffs but that would be highly unlikely. What he played in the playoffs should serve as a reasonable snapshot of what he played throughout his career.

IMO, he played so little defense that he should not be considered "RW/D" - like Fedorov, for example.

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RW/D Jimmy Roberts
I wanted to get him on board an an extra again. See my last bio of Roberts for some good quotes if you want to use them.

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The KCBJ select defensive forward, PKer, and shadow extraordinaire Perk Galbraith.
Right on, another MLDer making the jump.

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Sorry boys, was away and didn't get a PM anyway.

Anyway, Boston selects RW Helmut Balderis and C Kent Nilsson.
Another MLDer makes the jump, this time he was my pick.

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the kenora thistles are pleased to round out their 3rd offensive line by adding an early-era, pure goal-scorer...

tommy smith (c/rw)
It's about time.


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One thing though: Tommy Smith is C/LW, not C/RW.

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Not sure where the quote is from but Barney Stanley supposedly spent one year as Eddie Shore's defense partner in Edmonton.

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D'oh, not sure how my search missed Balderis. Anyway, I guess I'll take RW Milan Hejduk to replace him.

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D - Gennady Tsygankov

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Gennady Tsygankov belongs to group of the top ranking Soviet defense players of the 1970's. He was an extremely fast and fearless blueliner who never hesitated to block shots or to fight for a puck in the corners. As a team player, he always [b]put team interests above his personal accomplishments. Tsygankov was a key penalty killer on the Team USSR roster. In the late 1960's, he was a part of the so-called "systema" (or "system", also known as “torpedo”) experiments by legendary coach Anatoly Tarasov. Needless to say, Gennady Tsygankov was the first defense partner of Slava Fetisov. Overall, Tsygankov was arguably one of the best team players in the Soviet hockey.

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D - Gennady Tsygankov

Bravo, wonderful selection.

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Nalyd Psycho select Jack Laviolette

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Bravo, wonderful selection.
He would be, if Nalyd didn't take him in the 19th round. (Or something like that).

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Sorry about that. Soviet Union select D - Ivan Tregubov.

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Lada selects F Peter McNab.

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606 - Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - ON THE CLOCK (two and a half hours remaining)

607 - GodBlessCanada & raleh - New Westminster Bruins
608 - Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
609 - EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
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20 teams have done trades. Only these eight teams stuck to drafting as per draft position:

shawnmullin & pappyline - Trail Smoke Eaters
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Jungosi - Wacken Warriors
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