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05-06-2009, 12:52 PM
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Trade Propsal, Toronto-Tampa bay

To Toronto:
2nd overall selection in 09
Evgeny Artyhukin (salary dump)
Ryan Craig (salary dump)
Vaclav Prospal (salary dump)

To Tampa Bay:
Tomas Kaberle
Luke Schenn
Prospect Joel Champagne
Rights to Prospect Chad Rau
4th in 09


Thoughts? Suggestions? Contructive feedback welcomed.

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05-06-2009, 12:55 PM
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Didn't Toronto already take enough salary dumps off Tampa's hands at the deadline?

I really don't see Burke giving up both Kaberle AND Schenn to move up in the draft.

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Didn't Toronto already take enough salary dumps off Tampa's hands at the deadline?

I really don't see Burke giving up both Kaberle AND Schenn to move up in the draft.
They're not moving up. They're taking the 2nd overall without trading the 7th

Come on use your head a little.

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05-06-2009, 12:58 PM
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Artyukhin isn't really a salary dump, and Rau, Champagne, and the fourth aren't really worth anything. Beyond that, this is pretty much what Lebrun reported he was hearing. I wouldn't be that excited about this deal, but value is fair. I'd much rather see our 7th overall in play than Schenn.

Edit: Wait, Artyukhin makes over a million? I take what I said back, he's definitely a salary dump.

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To Toronto:
Evgeny Artyhukin (salary dump)
hell yeah that dude makes almost a million dollars a year go on get him out of here

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They're not moving up. They're taking the 2nd overall without trading the 7th

Come on use your head a little.
I could see Tampa getting either Schenn or the 7th overall in the deal +. Not both. I'd assume they'd want the sure thing in Schenn.

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hell yeah that dude makes almost a million dollars a year go on get him out of here
Salary is salary.

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so Toronto will have Tavares, which means a little more offense, but will once again be giving up 10 goals a game because now they will have absolutely NO defense..

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Salary is salary.
yup we'll replace him with a dude making much much less wait

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Salary is salary.
Yeah but you still have to replace him with someone, tell me who can we replace him with, and someone that brings the same qualities? You cant is the answer he is a unique player, speed, strength, size, hitting and occasionally fighting, all that for a million? Bargain. I think every team in the league would be willing to pay that.

Although Craig is a legit salary dump, as since his knees went he isnt the same, but again not that much of a salary, so I dont think it is a problem.

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Yeah but you still have to replace him with someone, tell me who can we replace him with, and someone that brings the same qualities? You cant is the answer he is a unique player, speed, strength, size, hitting and occasionally fighting, all that for a million? Bargain. I think every team in the league would be willing to pay that.

Although Craig is a legit salary dump, as since his knees went he isnt the same, but again not that much of a salary, so I dont think it is a problem.
Other than those players , Tampa didn't really have any other salary dumps. It's not like they would dump Malone or St Louis.

I just took the two players that were bringing lil to nothing to the table and included them. And of course Prospal because he seemed most likely due to his salary.

Toronto could than dump Prospal elsewhere for a draft pick or something. maybe even waivers.....???

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Maybe Toronto changes the 4th to a 2nd and TB throws in a 4th?

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1. Attach salary dump to anybody making over a million on the Lightning
2. Proposal a deal where Tampa Bay gets shafted
3. Profit

Seems to be the common trade theme lately in here

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To Toronto:
2nd overall selection in 09
Evgeny Artyhukin (salary dump)
Ryan Craig (salary dump)
Vaclav Prospal (salary dump)

To Tampa Bay:
Tomas Kaberle
Luke Schenn
Prospect Joel Champagne
Rights to Prospect Chad Rau
4th in 09

Thoughts? Suggestions? Contructive feedback welcomed.

lemme get this straight, you want tampa bay to give up the 2nd overall pick and take 3 salary dumps for Kaberle, Schenn, 2 prospects and a 4th in 09??? so TB doesnt just lose the 2nd pick overall, they basically dont have a 1st round pick at all??? wow i think TB is getting screwed here a lil bit...

how about this counter proposal:

TORONTO gets :
2nd overall (i guarantee you 99.9% its VICTOR HEDMAN)

TAMPA BAY GETS:
LUKE SCHENN
7th overall in 09

toronto replaces SCHENN with a DMAN that comes once every 10 yrs. lets face it, HEDMAN will be better than SCHENN in every aspect. skating, scoring, speed size.

tampa gets the stud Dman they covet plus JARED COWAN... thats TBs 1st top pairing defense for a very long time...

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lemme get this straight, you want tampa bay to give up the 2nd overall pick and take 3 salary dumps for Kaberle, Schenn, 2 prospects and a 4th in 09??? so TB doesnt just lose the 2nd pick overall, they basically dont have a 1st round pick at all??? wow i think TB is getting screwed here a lil bit...

how about this counter proposal:

TORONTO gets :
2nd overall (i guarantee you 99.9% its VICTOR HEDMAN)

TAMPA BAY GETS:
LUKE SCHENN
7th overall in 09

toronto replaces SCHENN with a DMAN that comes once every 10 yrs. lets face it, HEDMAN will be better than SCHENN in every aspect. skating, scoring, speed size.

tampa gets the stud Dman they covet plus JARED COWAN... thats TBs 1st top pairing defense for a very long time...
and what you base this on


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They're not moving up. They're taking the 2nd overall without trading the 7th

Come on use your head a little.
imo schenn is worth more than the 7th pick

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and what you base this on




imo schenn is worth more than the 7th pick
not in this draft year he isnt.

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This deal only happens if the Islanders pick Hedman.

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I've just looked over TB cap situation for next year, and I'm surprised they are not in deeper than I had thought they were. They have quite the gap between the top end players, and the lower end players, but they aren't in cap hell.

Personally, if they have a chance at Tavares, I'd consider trading Vinny for young talent and picks, with an emphasis on defenceman, and have a **** full of cap space.

Schenn+Finger(they have to take some salary back)+1st in 2009+for Vinny


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I've just looked over TB cap situation for next year, and I'm surprised they are not in deeper than I had thought they were. They have quite the gap between the top end players, and the lower end players, but they aren't in cap hell.

Personally, if they have a chance at Tavares, I'd consider trading Vinny for young talent and picks, with an emphasis on defenceman, and have a **** full of cap space.

Schenn+Finger(they have to take some salary back)+1st in 2009+for Vinny
It has nothing to do with the cap, it is a budget problem, this guy Len Barrie is a real estate flim-flam man and the Tampa ownership is very shaky !!! They do not have the luxury of time for a long-term re-build. They must win now or the franchise is toast. Most teams in the NHL are facing budget issues NOT cap issues. That is why salary dumps plus Kaberle's contract just may work.

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To Toronto:
2nd overall selection in 09
Evgeny Artyhukin (salary dump)
Ryan Craig (salary dump)
Vaclav Prospal (salary dump)

To Tampa Bay:
Tomas Kaberle
Luke Schenn
Prospect Joel Champagne
Rights to Prospect Chad Rau
4th in 09


Thoughts? Suggestions? Contructive feedback welcomed.
Thoughts? I think you come up with the worst/most lopsided proposals on here.

Suggestions? Stop overvaluing your players and stop making proposals.

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05-09-2009, 11:03 AM
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Vaclav Prospal's point totals the past 6 years

Games Points

80 79
82 54
81 80
82 55
80 71
82 45

And he has a cap hit of 3.5. While the term salary dump is used to mean even out salaries, this guy is in no way a slouch or the typical "salary dump" He is a fairly under rated under paid player.

That said I don't think that Toronto would do the trade even though it would help them. And I don't know much about where Tampa's management stands but this trade could potentially have them in a playoff spot next year.

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Vaclav Prospal's point totals the past 6 years

Games Points

80 79
82 54
81 80
82 55
80 71
82 45

And he has a cap hit of 3.5. While the term salary dump is used to mean even out salaries, this guy is in no way a slouch or the typical "salary dump" He is a fairly under rated under paid player.

That said I don't think that Toronto would do the trade even though it would help them. And I don't know much about where Tampa's management stands but this trade could potentially have them in a playoff spot next year.
Hay, there's a pattern! He's gonna hit 70 to 80 points next year.

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Hay, there's a pattern! He's gonna hit 70 to 80 points next year.
Yep, he is a streaky player, but to a weird level, every other year he does great (normally a contract year ) Hopefully next year we get PPG prospal back.

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05-09-2009, 01:53 PM
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Try this one on for size...

To Tampa Bay

Matt Stajan (good 2nd to 3rd line center with upside, had his best yr last yr, only 25)
Tomas Kaberle (top 10 dmen in league on an incredible contract for 2 more yrs)
Luke Schenn (poised rookie dmen, played top pairing minutes in all situations, reliable)
7th overall in 09 (this pick will no doubt become a top prospect)
Prospect Dale Mitchell (built like a fire hydrant, on fire in playoffs)
Prospect Joel Champagne (considered a 3rd line centerman with size that excels in faceoffs)

To Toronto

Vinny Lecavalier (allstar C, franchise player, owed too much money for too long)
2nd overall in 09 (Should be able to nab one of Tavares/Hedman/Dushene)




At 1st glance it looks like quantity for quality. But Toronto offers alot of quality pieces to Tampa. Tampa supposably needs to get out from under Lecavalier's contract (before in actually kicks in) as they seem to be the next team that might be under the microscope in terms of relocating. They are already looking for new investors to stay afloat.

I'm not sure how many other teams that could offer Tampa a deal such as this and be able to take on Vinny's albatros of a contract.

And yes I understand alot of Toronto fans don't want to include Schenn in the deal but you have to give to get. Also if Toronto really wanted, they could draft Hedman with that pick potentially. Maybe have a Stralman-Hedman pairing set for the future? Just a thought. Toronto could also try and grab one of the top dmen in the offseason (Komisarek, Jbo)

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Was Artyhukin the guy May cremated? If so, Burke won't want him. He ran away with his tail between his legs after that gorgeous hit.

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