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04-21-2009, 01:43 AM
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Ilya Nikulin

Very solid (could be said to be star) KHL defenseman, prospect of the Thrashers, who doesn't seem like he wants to come over and play for them. What would Thrasher fans see as acceptable compensation for him?

As a Capitals who's watched him play with AK Bars, I'd go as high as Eric Fehr for his rights and possibly a pick, but more favorably something like Morrissonn/Schultz/Bourque and a 2nd/3rd round pick, since he is not guaranteed to come to the US (though I believe we could convince him, heh).

I mean, there is all this hoopla about Gilroy and Nikulin completely blows him out of the water in terms of proven ability.

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04-21-2009, 02:54 AM
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if he's not going to come over to play for Atlanta I'd say it's very very little regardless of how good he is

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I don't know, if Atlanta isn't able to get him to come over next season I'd give up his rights for a 3rd and conditional 5th if he actually comes over and plays an NHL game for your team.

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04-21-2009, 03:27 AM
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I don't know, if Atlanta isn't able to get him to come over next season I'd give up his rights for a 3rd and conditional 5th if he actually comes over and plays an NHL game for your team.
I'd be all over that

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04-21-2009, 05:11 AM
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I think it could be about money on why Nikulin isn't coming over. I believe he currently makes more money in the KHL than he would on a rookie contract.

Thrashers could sure use his talents and they tried pretty hard (per media reports) last summer to bring him to training camp after his good showing for Russia at the World Championships.

I'm hoping they try again this summer. Maybe Kovalchuk being captain will coax him to finally try his luck in North America.

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04-21-2009, 06:51 AM
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I think it could be about money on why Nikulin isn't coming over. I believe he currently makes more money in the KHL than he would on a rookie contract.
I think your whole post nailed it, but this part in particular.

The fact is that Nikulin is going to have to take a pay cut to get started in the NHL due to the CBA. He has not wanted to do it yet, but was about as close to doing it last year as he ever has been.

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04-21-2009, 07:12 AM
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He is just greedy imo. He is obviously a good player, but he needs to stop teasing us. Lord knows Atlanta could use a good d-man.

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I'd give him a contract on par with Jukka Voutalainnen

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he will never play in the nhl

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All I have to say is that he's a really good player......already pretty much a lock for 2010 olympics.

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he will never play in the nhl
The caps would have as good a chance convincing him as anyone.

I personally would give him 2 year rookie contract with incentives that adds up to the highest possible amount. He seems like he'd be our 2nd best defenseman.

If not subject to entry level restrictions, something like 11 million 3 years.


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As I understand it, he won't be subject to entry level restrictions this offseason. There was a previous provision about existing European draft picks under the age of 27 still needing an ELC. It seemed like he was interested in coming over last year, even to the point where his agent noted that the money was pretty close.

The ELC thing might have come into play however. Atlanta would have had zero interest in signing him to a one year deal last year, since he'd just be UFA this summer. And Nikulin probably didn't want to lock himself into a multiyear ELC. So it might make sense for both sides to come together now.

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The economic crisis and the reduction of oil funds are starting to bankrupt the oligarchs ruling Russia,many of who are being bailed out by the kremlin.

Therfore the KHL is probably less capable and will be less willing to spend money so freely, if there is a year where it would make sense for him to come over and sign a contract this is it

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04-22-2009, 01:25 AM
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The economic crisis and the reduction of oil funds are starting to bankrupt the oligarchs ruling Russia,many of who are being bailed out by the kremlin.

Therfore the KHL is probably less capable and will be less willing to spend money so freely, if there is a year where it would make sense for him to come over and sign a contract this is it
Good to hear egregious governmental bailouts aren't a strictly North American phenomenon.

You make a great point though, especially if, during this offseason due to his age, he would no longer be subject to typical rookie contract parameters. He is exactly the kind of defenseman the team needs, but I won't believe he'll be coming over until I see his name on the transaction sheet.

And to the original poster, if he's not coming to Atlanta to play for the NHL organization who drafted him and with another Russian superstar, I doubt he'll sign with Washington.

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04-22-2009, 12:51 PM
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soo for someone can't watch ak bars games how good is this fella??

i do like his size tho 6'3 220

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soo for someone can't watch ak bars games how good is this fella??

i do like his size tho 6'3 220
Instant 1 pairing d-man in a lot of NHL team.

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soo for someone can't watch ak bars games how good is this fella??

i do like his size tho 6'3 220
he would instantly be a franchise dman for about hlaf the teams in the league

problem is he will NEVER play in the khl

i can't blame him though why take a paycut to be in a foreign country when you can be a god in your homeland

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if hes so good shouldnt he show his talent first with the rookie/ entry contract

and then get the big dough afterwards

shouldnt he be able to get more in the NHL than the KHL after his entry contract is done

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The caps would have as good a chance convincing him as anyone.

I personally would give him 2 year rookie contract with incentives that adds up to the highest possible amount. He seems like he'd be our 2nd best defenseman.

If not subject to entry level restrictions, something like 11 million 3 years.
What about Vitaly Atyushov -- what would you give for him? Leading the Russian d-men at the worlds in points. Just a year older and a little smaller than Nikulin.

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05-07-2009, 06:35 AM
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his reason for not coming over was always the entry level contract. this year he is not subject to that so maybe there is hope. he would round out our top 4 very nicely

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05-07-2009, 07:09 AM
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As to how good he is, based on WCs and previous viewings:
+ Moves the puck well, hard point shot.
+ Good size, and he uses it.
+/- Skating is OK for a player his size, but he is a bit slow.
- Isn't exactly error free.

I'd say top pairing potential, but franchise dman is over the top.

Would be interesting to see how he adapts to NHL. I think smaller ice would suite his game better. Then there is the issue that lot european defenceman have, he isn't an offenceman nor strictly shut down guy, but more of a two-way guy.

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As to how good he is, based on WCs and previous viewings:
+ Moves the puck well, hard point shot.
+ Good size, and he uses it.
+/- Skating is OK for a player his size, but he is a bit slow.
- Isn't exactly error free.

I'd say top pairing potential, but franchise dman is over the top.

Would be interesting to see how he adapts to NHL. I think smaller ice would suite his game better. Then there is the issue that lot european defenceman have, he isn't an offenceman nor strictly shut down guy, but more of a two-way guy.
Very helpful description.

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I actually believe he's coming over to Atlanta. He's burned Atlanta twice (once more than Sherman) saying that he'd play and then didn't. In his August 2008 Russian interview he said he thought everything was done and that he was going to be a Thrasher but that "life dictates..." what ever that means. He couldn't explain why he stayed in Russia.

Kovalchuk was just named the MVP of the Worlds and is now the Atlanta captain. If Atlanta successfully re-signs Kovalchuk, Nikulin will be convinced to play in the ATL. The Thrashers certainly have the cap space for him...last year that space was taken up by the weird Schneider experiment (to mentor Bogosian).

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If we can't have him, neither can you. We hold his rights indefinitely and should continue to do so.

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Very helpful description.
Thanks, but I have to say I haven't seen him that much. And judging Russian dman based on national team play isn't easy. I never quite figured out what exactly they were trying to do in their own end as a team, seemed like a somewhat disorganised mix of positional and man to man defence. Also, the wingers kept looking for long passes thus making opening passes difficult for dman. Both made their defencemen look worse than they are, but what do I know, they won the gold.

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