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05-10-2009, 08:49 PM
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Rolling 3 lines instead of 4 will not hurt.
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would a deal surrounding Staal for Nathan Horton work?

Also, what are the chances that Jagr goes to the Pens for a basement bargain contract, i was hearing reports of that throughout the year.

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Before Gonchar's injury, I probably would have entertained the idea of dealing Goligoski for a similarly talented offensive threat (ideally to a Western team and in some package for someone like Michael Grabner or Jordan Eberle..both teams' having a need for a PP QB).

However, with Gonchar's latest injury, I dont see Goli going anywhere. The Pens seem to view Goli as their future PP QB as well, as he replaced Gonchar on the first unit.

I'd probably look to try and acquire someone like Cheechoo to take Guerin's spot as well. Not sure how expensive he'd be.
I've been drinking the Cheechoo koolaid lately as well.

From talking to Sharks fans they've asked for anything from Dupuis for him straight up to our first round pick this year.

I think he would be a good replacement for Guerin as he is younger and is good along the boards.

Forwards
Kunitz - Crosby - Cheechoo
Fedo - Malkin - ????
Cooke - Staal - Kennedy
Talbot - Jeffrey - Godard


I'd love a wing that can carry the puck to help maximize Geno's abilities by setting him up every once in a while instead of making Malkin a playmaker only on his line. A guy like Tanguay or Kovalev would be ideal IMO.

Defense
Gonchar - Orpik
Legang - Eaton
Scuderi - Goligoski


I know that we will probably have to let Scuderi walk because he'll be able to command $3m or more on the open market but I'll stay optimistic here.

Goalies

Fleury
Curry

Have to go minor salary for Fleury's backup to make anything I have above work

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05-10-2009, 09:07 PM
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would a deal surrounding Staal for Nathan Horton work?

Also, what are the chances that Jagr goes to the Pens for a basement bargain contract, i was hearing reports of that throughout the year.
Can you say no to being drafted on any team untill the Pens pick? Pens pick Tavares at like the end of the 1st round would be sweet. Do it!

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05-10-2009, 09:08 PM
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would a deal surrounding Staal for Nathan Horton work?

Also, what are the chances that Jagr goes to the Pens for a basement bargain contract, i was hearing reports of that throughout the year.
It's easy to say yes from a Pens perspective right now because Staal is "struggling," but if you would have asked that question last series, I don't think many would have wanted to move him.

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05-10-2009, 09:14 PM
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I've been drinking the Cheechoo koolaid lately as well.

From talking to Sharks fans they've asked for anything from Dupuis for him straight up to our first round pick this year.

I think he would be a good replacement for Guerin as he is younger and is good along the boards.

Forwards
Kunitz - Crosby - Cheechoo
Fedo - Malkin - ????
Cooke - Staal - Kennedy
Talbot - Jeffrey - Godard


I'd love a wing that can carry the puck to help maximize Geno's abilities by setting him up every once in a while instead of making Malkin a playmaker only on his line. A guy like Tanguay or Kovalev would be ideal IMO.

Defense
Gonchar - Orpik
Legang - Eaton
Scuderi - Goligoski


I know that we will probably have to let Scuderi walk because he'll be able to command $3m or more on the open market but I'll stay optimistic here.

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Fleury
Curry

Have to go minor salary for Fleury's backup to make anything I have above work

In your ????? slot Kennedy could play there and Caputi could play on the 3rd line with Staal and Cooke.

But the onle problem I have with that team is it is SOFF. Especially the top 6.

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I love Staal, and I think he'll turn out to be terrific, but he just won't reach his full potential around here. It's in the best interest of both the team and Jordan for him to be moved to a place where he can be a 1st or 2nd line center surrounded by talent and where he can grow into his potential.

People make the argument that Kessel and Backstrom and Toews are so much better than Staal, but that's because they're asked to do much more than him and they're not buried on the third line surrounded by grinders. Give Staal a chance and he'll be great.

Oh yeah, and we need a long-term winger for Crosby or Malkin.

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05-10-2009, 09:21 PM
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I love Staal, and I think he'll turn out to be terrific, but he just won't reach his full potential around here. It's in the best interest of both the team and Jordan for him to be moved to a place where he can be a 1st or 2nd line center surrounded by talent and where he can grow into his potential.

People make the argument that Kessel and Backstrom and Toews are so much better than Staal, but that's because they're asked to do much more than him and they're not buried on the third line surrounded by grinders. Give Staal a chance and he'll be great.

Oh yeah, and we need a long-term winger for Crosby or Malkin.
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Staal for Ladd and Byfuglien for example. A power foward with the ability to play in front of the net on the PP and a good up-and-coming winger in Ladd. Or we can do something similar with another team.

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Staal for Ladd and Byfuglien for example. A power foward with the ability to play in front of the net on the PP and a good up-and-coming winger in Ladd. Or we can do something similar with another team.
My dream, and I know realistically it is just that, is to trade Staal + 2nd or 3rd + CPZ to FLA for Booth (signed at $3.5mil-$4.0mil for 4 years).

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Staal for Ladd and Byfuglien for example. A power foward with the ability to play in front of the net on the PP and a good up-and-coming winger in Ladd. Or we can do something similar with another team.
Buff at 2 million would be a nice option but at 3 million I don't think we can afford him. Kotalik is a nice Idea but I kind of imagine that the Oilers will want to resign him,he d be great, a right hand shot and money in shoot outs.

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It's easy to say yes from a Pens perspective right now because Staal is "struggling," but if you would have asked that question last series, I don't think many would have wanted to move him.
Great point SM.

Depending on the week... this trade is either good or bad

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Defense
Gonchar - Orpik
Letang - Eaton
Scuderi - Goligoski


I know that we will probably have to let Scuderi walk because he'll be able to command $3m or more on the open market but I'll stay optimistic here.
I like the defensive pairings you got there AgentM... there is consistency which is good. I think the Scuderi-Gogo pairing would probably be the most interesting (for an extended period of time). If you put Scuds w/ someone who has speed... he might look even better. He could feel more comfortable about pinching in the offensive zone or closing the gap early knowing Gogo could get to all the chip-ins that go behind them.

I also would like to see Lovejoy get about 30 games next year somewhere along the line because he really showed some promise up w/ the bigs. I love how he controls the corners, he's right handed, and I thought he had a great quick breakout pass. He's decisive and if he gains some speed in the offseason.. he could be a nice cheap asset to have.

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This team shouldn't give Scuderi 2 mil a year. He's very good positionally and is capable of foiling rushes, but he's not very mobile, can't clear the zone, and can't take a point shot to save his life.

I'd rather bring in Lovejoy and see how he responds in the role, truthfully. 2 mil per for a bottom pairing defenseman is a little rich for our blood IMHO.

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05-10-2009, 10:24 PM
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This team shouldn't give Scuderi 2 mil a year. He's very good positionally and is capable of foiling rushes, but he's not very mobile, can't clear the zone, and can't take a point shot to save his life.

I'd rather bring in Lovejoy and see how he responds in the role, truthfully. 2 mil per for a bottom pairing defenseman is a little rich for our blood IMHO.
It may be too rich for our blood, but definitely not for at least 5-6 other teams. Sadly, I think it's pretty safe to assume he's as good as gone.

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My dream, and I know realistically it is just that, is to trade Staal + 2nd or 3rd + CPZ to FLA for Booth (signed at $3.5mil-$4.0mil for 4 years).
Thats huge overpayment for Booth.

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Thats huge overpayment for Booth.
Might be, but we've discussed Staal's role around here. CPZ is likely the odd-man-out as far as our top prospects go, and you'd need to add a pick in order to even make Florida look at the proposal.

Booth is great, and playing with Crosby he'd be even better, probably a 40g man over a full year with power play time.

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Might be, but we've discussed Staal's role around here. CPZ is likely the odd-man-out as far as our top prospects go, and you'd need to add a pick in order to even make Florida look at the proposal.

Booth is great, and playing with Crosby he'd be even better, probably a 40g man over a full year with power play time.

How exactly is a prospect the odd man out? Odd men out are impending free agents that want too much money. We dont even know if Caputi or Tangradi will even pan out. Hell, Tangradi has a totally busted hand right now and may not even be ready for camp in the fall. CPZ is a good prospect. He probably has the best wrist shot of all our prospects actually. Using him in a package deal for only Booth is dumb.

Oh and 40 goals is a hell of alot.

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How exactly is a prospect the odd man out? Odd men out are impending free agents that want too much money. We dont even know if Caputi or Tangradi will even pan out. Hell, Tangradi has a totally busted hand right now and may not even be ready for camp in the fall. CPZ is a good prospect. He probably has the best wrist shot of all our prospects actually. Using him in a package deal for only Booth is dumb.

Oh and 40 goals is a hell of alot.
I think you're seriously underestimating Booth. He's a 30g+ guy with nobody anywhere near Crosby's universe as far as offensive and playmaking abilities. He plays a gritty game with lots of speed, and he can actually finish.

Think Kunitz but with hands.

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This team shouldn't give Scuderi 2 mil a year. He's very good positionally and is capable of foiling rushes, but he's not very mobile, can't clear the zone, and can't take a point shot to save his life.
What he can do however is to be our best defensive D-man in the NHL playofs and our most dependable defender throughout the season .

I would have agreed with all the things you said last year even if he was starting to become that player then too. But Scuds have been immense this year. We're talking about a defender who doesn't get any points and he led our team in plus/minus even if we have two guys scoring 100+, and we're now at a point where Alex Ovechkin actively does all he can to switch sides to get away from him and Boudreau makes that a match-up priority.

We cannot think that Lovejoy will bring that kind of specialist ability right off the bat, even if I think he will come to be a very serviceable player for us too down the line.

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I think you're seriously underestimating Booth. He's a 30g+ guy with nobody anywhere near Crosby's universe as far as offensive and playmaking abilities. He plays a gritty game with lots of speed, and he can actually finish.

Think Kunitz but with hands.

Dont get me wrong, I'm as big of a Booth fan as the rest of you. But I think Staal + CPZ + a pick is vastly overpaying. Perhaps I overrate CPZ, but I think we are giving up way too much in that deal.

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It may be too rich for our blood, but definitely not for at least 5-6 other teams. Sadly, I think it's pretty safe to assume he's as good as gone.
Enh, Scuds seems to me the type who might take a discount. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

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What he can do however is to be our best defensive D-man in the NHL playofs and our most dependable defender throughout the season .

I would have agreed with all the things you said last year even if he was starting to become that player then too. But Scuds have been immense this year. We're talking about a defender who doesn't get any points and he led our team in plus/minus even if we have two guys scoring 100+, and we're now at a point where Alex Ovechkin actively does all he can to switch sides to get away from him and Boudreau makes that a match-up priority.

We cannot think that Lovejoy will bring that kind of specialist ability right off the bat, even if I think he will come to be a very serviceable player for us too down the line.
The X factor here is Eaton, who while not as consistent as Scuds throughout the season was also recovering from a major injury.

With Eaton healthy, playing as well as he has these playoffs (our best defenseman, period), and signed through next year, he's made Scuds expendable if priced out of reasonable range. Lovejoy's very solid season down in the minors also gives us a viable (and potentially more versatile) bottom pairing option to help replace him.

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I think your lineup is pretty fair estimation of what will actually happen, but I think Scuderi is a definite keeper and his price will determine what's left for the 'scoring' winger.

I say that in quotes because we're probably more likely to add another guy like Cooke than a true scoring threat with the money we'll have.

I'm calling for Pesonen, Jeffrey, and possibly Caputi to play a role on the wings next year. I also think that Kennedy could fulfill a top 6 role in some capacity.
If we could get Knuble for Crosby's line .. he only makes about 2.5 mil .. right? .. or is it about 3.0 mil ..?

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Its officially game day...lets put this thread on hold....

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Its officially game day...lets put this thread on hold....
Wow, I feel like Game 5 just ended. Three games in 4 nights.

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Dont get me wrong, I'm as big of a Booth fan as the rest of you. But I think Staal + CPZ + a pick is vastly overpaying. Perhaps I overrate CPZ, but I think we are giving up way too much in that deal.
I agree. Staal still has big value out there. He's a 20-year old center that plays well defensively, is good on the PK, and already has 2 20+ goal season. That is definitely more than we would have to pay if we were to trade for Booth. The bigger thing is that Florida just might not be willing to trade Booth, having nothign to do with the value.

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