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05-10-2009, 07:58 PM
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Tom Gilbert

What would it take for the Devils to acquire Tom Gilbert from Edmonton?

Willing to overpay. Only way we could get him, I believe.

You know the players who are "off limits." Zach, Travis, etc...

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Tom Gilbert for Zach Travis and a 3rd

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Tom Gilbert and 2nd for Travis Zach


But really, I'd love to see Clarkson in an Oilers jersey. I have no clue what his value is like though.

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Tom Gilbert for Zach Travis and a 3rd

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Tom Gilbert and 2nd for Travis Zach


But really, I'd love to see Clarkson in an Oilers jersey. I have no clue what his value is like though.
Yeah, I hear this Zach Travis kid is pretty good.


Of the Oilers' group of offensive defensemen, the consensus seems to me that Gilbert might be the most likely to be moved.

What would it take? Beats me. I would think he should have decent value. The Oilers are interested in bulking up their top 6... Gilbert in a package in return for a gritty top-6 forward might be the kind of trade they'd be looking to make.

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I would see David clarkson would be interesting to the oilers as part of a package.

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What whould you want fo Patrik Elias?

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in his 2nd year in the nhl, Gilbert was tied for 6th in defenseman Even strength scoring. The only thing stopping him from being in the top 10 for defenceman scoring is that Souray and Visnovsky are pp specialists and get all the pp time.

Gilbert is the real deal and he is still in the early stages of his learning curve. A trade to a team where he is on the first pp unit could see him become a star in this league.

As a comparison , here is the 4-9 top even strength scorers amongst forwards - Crosby, Parise, Datsyuk,Sedin, Iginla, Savard. Gilbert was tied for 6th amongst dmen.

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What would it take for the Devils to acquire Tom Gilbert from Edmonton?

Willing to overpay. Only way we could get him, I believe.

You know the players who are "off limits." Zach, Travis, etc...

Thanks!!!
So you'd like to land a top 3 Dman without sending any good roster players back the other way?

EDIT: What would it take to get Jamie L ?

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Unless Zajac is coming back, I dont see a deal involving Gilbert working. I doubt the Oilers deal him for Jamie L or Elias because of their age. And NJ's prospects (Bergfors, Tedenby) are diminutive players which the Oilers have in spades. Im pretty confident in saying that the price would be Zajac which would be a good deal for both teams IMO.

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If Edm GM values Gilbert as much as the Fans on this board, then Gilbert will be Oiler forever. Good luck landing a nearly 100 pt man for Gilbert and a 2nd, and equally as lopsided, a 23 yr old shutdown centerman with over 60 points (+33) plus and a pick. Gilbert put up good numbers and is descent defensively (and I don't need 20 responses from OIler fans saying yeah but he was top 6 in 5 on 5 scoring - I can read stat sheets too). Gilbert plays soft, will be 27 next year and is making more then both Parise and Zajac. I'm not sold on the fact that Gilbert is a top pairing dman - and you don't trade young top line talent for 2nd pairing dmen who get points

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Unless Zajac is coming back, I dont see a deal involving Gilbert working. I doubt the Oilers deal him for Jamie L or Elias because of their age. And NJ's prospects (Bergfors, Tedenby) are diminutive players which the Oilers have in spades. Im pretty confident in saying that the price would be Zajac which would be a good deal for both teams IMO.
Gilbert couldn't return Zajac IMO. Offensive d-men like Gilbert don't usually have a ton of trade value. If Gilbert can improve quite a bit defensively, then he would be on par, or more valuable, then Zajac though.

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Sabres offer Drew Stafford for Gilbert

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Would Zubrus, Andy Greene, and a first-rounder be enough for Gilbert?

Elias is staying on the Devs as are Zach Parise and Travis Zajac. Langenbrunner may not have enough value only because of his age.

David Clarkson could be part of a package, although I think the Devils would offer Dainius Zubrus first.

Keep the proposals coming.

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If Edm GM values Gilbert as much as the Fans on this board, then Gilbert will be Oiler forever. Good luck landing a nearly 100 pt man for Gilbert and a 2nd, and equally as lopsided, a 23 yr old shutdown centerman with over 60 points (+33) plus and a pick. Gilbert put up good numbers and is descent defensively (and I don't need 20 responses from OIler fans saying yeah but he was top 6 in 5 on 5 scoring - I can read stat sheets too). Gilbert plays soft, will be 27 next year and is making more then both Parise and Zajac. I'm not sold on the fact that Gilbert is a top pairing dman - and you don't trade young top line talent for 2nd pairing dmen who get points
While I agree that Zajac is worth more than Gilbert - he's the closest guy on the Devils roster IMO. There isn't anyone else close to getting a deal done from my POV. That just means a deal is highly unlikely and Lou is going to have to go the UFA or Salvation army (expiring contract or a previously signed UFA not working out on his current team) route as opposed to a guy like Gilbert.

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Would Zubrus, Andy Greene, and a first-rounder be enough for Gilbert?

Elias is staying on the Devs as are Zach Parise and Travis Zajac. Langenbrunner may not have enough value only because of his age.

David Clarkson could be part of a package, although I think the Devils would offer Dainius Zubrus first.

Keep the proposals coming.

Thanks!!!
It might be me, but I don't this is anywhere close to what EDM would want for Gilbert.

You're trying to trade 3 nickels for a quarter, and EDM needs an upgrade in the top 6, not taking on a bad contract, a replacement d-man, & a late 1st.

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Would Zubrus, Andy Greene, and a first-rounder be enough for Gilbert?

Elias is staying on the Devs as are Zach Parise and Travis Zajac. Langenbrunner may not have enough value only because of his age.

David Clarkson could be part of a package, although I think the Devils would offer Dainius Zubrus first.

Keep the proposals coming.

Thanks!!!

No, we wouldn't be interested in any team's 'spare parts.' Gilbert is an important part of the Oilers core and I'm pretty sure we would want another team's core player in return. I doubt he's on the block at all though.

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While I agree that Zajac is worth more than Gilbert - he's the closest guy on the Devils roster IMO. There isn't anyone else close to getting a deal done from my POV. That just means a deal is highly unlikely and Lou is going to have to go the UFA or Salvation army (expiring contract or a previously signed UFA not working out on his current team) route as opposed to a guy like Gilbert.
for sure, agree completely. I think Gilbert is the type of player NJ needs, but obviously not for Zajac

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Gilbert put up good numbers and is descent defensively (and I don't need 20 responses from OIler fans saying yeah but he was top 6 in 5 on 5 scoring - I can read stat sheets too). Gilbert plays soft, will be 27 next year and is making more then both Parise and Zajac. I'm not sold on the fact that Gilbert is a top pairing dman - and you don't trade young top line talent for 2nd pairing dmen who get points
1) gilbert is signed to a reasonable contract for 5 more years. In 3 years, he will be paid much less than Parise. Even Zajac might be making more money than him next year as Zajac is a rfa.

2) i have no idea what constitutes a top pairing dman but a 2nd year guy who is 6th in ES scoring would probably qualify. Puck moving offensive dmen are actually very highly valued and Gilbert is on track to being one of the best.

Several local beat writers believe that one of him, SOuray, or Visnovsky will be traded this summer. If that happens, Gilbert could easily be in the top 10 for dmen scoring. He wa 16th this year despite very little pp time and being in only his 2nd nhl season. He was on the all rookie team in his rookie year so the kid has some legitimacy.

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1) gilbert is signed to a reasonable contract for 5 more years. In 3 years, he will be paid much less than Parise. Even Zajac might be making more money than him next year as Zajac is a rfa.

2) i have no idea what constitutes a top pairing dman but a 2nd year guy who is 6th in ES scoring would probably qualify. Puck moving offensive dmen are actually very highly valued and Gilbert is on track to being one of the best.

Several local beat writers believe that one of him, SOuray, or Visnovsky will be traded this summer. If that happens, Gilbert could easily be in the top 10 for dmen scoring. He wa 16th this year despite very little pp time and being in only his 2nd nhl season. He was on the all rookie team in his rookie year so the kid has some legitimacy.
Gilbert has about the same value as a guy like Ron Hainsey or John-Michael Liles. Good offensive games with average defensive games. Solid puck movers and good power play guys.

None of these guys is worth a Parise. Not even close. I think Zajac is closer in value, but the teams giving up the d-man would probably have to add a 2nd round pick or decent prospect in addition to the d-man.

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Columbus gives their first (15th-ish) and one of Klesla/Russell/Methot for Gilbert.

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Gilbert has about the same value as a guy like Ron Hainsey or John-Michael Liles. Good offensive games with average defensive games. Solid puck movers and good power play guys.

None of these guys is worth a Parise. Not even close. I think Zajac is closer in value, but the teams giving up the d-man would probably have to add a 2nd round pick or decent prospect in addition to the d-man.
Gilbert isn't bad defensively though. He's actually quite reliable. He's great positionally and often has his body in the way of shots, he's often in the right place to get his stick in the way of a pass and he's quick enough skating to pinch and usually make it back for defense. He's not a stalwart defender the likes of Niedermeyer, but he's also only in his second year.

I fully agree Parise is going nowhere, but Edmonton isn't going to give Gilbert up unless it's an overpayment. How many right handed d-men have those kind of stats in their second year? Of those how many are actually available? If NJ is a Gilbert away from serious contention might it not make sense to trade Zajac and buff up your d core while retaining most of your firepower up front?

Keep in mind it's entirely possible a Stafford for Gilbert trade could be worked out with minimal tweaking. So which players would Edmonton rather have...Zajac or Stafford...or Stafford or Zubrus + Greene...easy choice for me on the latter...not so easy on the first.

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Would Zubrus, Andy Greene, and a first-rounder be enough for Gilbert?
Yeah its probably enough in a package, but the Oilers don't need Zubrus and Greene. If we deal Gilbert its for a younger top six forward that can score and has size.

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And the Oilers would decline.

Would David Clarkson and your 1st work?

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Gilbert has about the same value as a guy like Ron Hainsey or John-Michael Liles.
after his 5th season, Hainsey was 31st in ES dman scoring

after his 5th season, Liles was 44th in ES dman scoring

after his 2nd season, Gilbert was 6th in ES dman scoring.

I think his upside is a little higher than those two.

After his 3rd season, Zajac was 40th in ES forward scoring.

I really like Zajac but I do not think his trade value is in a different league than Gilbert. I think they are probably pretty close. The numbers favor Gilbert but Zajac is a very good player

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And the Oilers would decline.

Would David Clarkson and your 1st work?
If Buff offered Stafford for Gilbert I think Edmonton would take it. He is exactly what they need in a younger player for the top 6 with some size.

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after his 5th season, Hainsey was 31st in ES dman scoring

after his 5th season, Liles was 44th in ES dman scoring

after his 2nd season, Gilbert was 6th in ES dman scoring.

I think his upside is a little higher than those two.

After his 3rd season, Zajac was 40th in ES forward scoring.

I really like Zajac but I do not think his trade value is in a different league than Gilbert. I think they are probably pretty close. The numbers favor Gilbert but Zajac is a very good player

I am an Oiler fan too, but Zajac is worth more than Gilbert. It is not a lot more, but to compound this issue NJ have no one to fill his role either, so they just can't afford to trade him.

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