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05-14-2009, 03:01 PM
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Havlat/Khabibulin

Both of them are UFA's this summer. Both of them make $6M+. It is unlikely the Hawks can keep both of them. So what happens? Does one come back? Does neither?

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Both of them are UFA's this summer. Both of them make $6M+. It is unlikely the Hawks can keep both of them. So what happens? Does one come back? Does neither?
Going to be hard to find someone interested in Huet at his present salary - so my guess is that Havlat is the likely one to be re-signed.

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05-14-2009, 03:36 PM
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Both will have to take a big paycut to stay in Chicago.

Havlat's rumored to be interested in a 8-10 year deal, and if it's anything like what Franzen signed for it'll be good for the team.

Bullin however I'm not so sure about. He's definitely been a big part in the playoffs, but he's going to be 36.

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Someone (a Chicago fan) in the Huet thread called Khabibulin a "contract year goalie" and that is exactly what he is. He had a career year his final year in Tampa, and he's having a pretty good playoffs in his final year in Chicago... The popular opinion with Chicago fans is let him walk because he's be "stealing" money for 3 of the past 4 years. Huet was also signed last offseason due to the poor up coming goalie class.

With that in find, I wouldn't sign Havlat either. He's just too injured for my liking. I know he put up great numbers this year, but remember how often he misses time due to injury.

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I don't see major interest in the keeping Khabibulin. There is some musings in the press but reality is he was fragile this year and most of the reasoin he played well was he was only asked to play 40 games in the regular season.
Some complain about Huet's numbers but it was Huet who was forced to play hot and cold. Coming off the bench after long stretches playing a few games and then back to the bench.

I don't see a problem going with Huet and a kid (Crawford?) as the backup. That also creates about 5.5 to 5.75 million in cap space.

Rumor is Havlat wants a long term deal. I am guessing that he could have 7 years left. With a properly structured 10 year deal he could make 5 mill a year with a cap hit of 3.8 million. All the security he could want and another 2.2 million in added cap space for the team to finish what it started.

Properly structured, years 1 thru 10 pay 7m, 6m, 6m, 5m, 5m, 3m, 3m, 1m, 1m, 1m.
Total is 38 million = 3.8 million dollar cap hit
1st 7 years total is 35 million = 5 million per year. He then retires after the 7th year. The remaining 3 million dollars and the 3.8 million cap hit both come off the books.

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At one point it was rumoured that the Hawks were preparing for "life without Havlat". He spent quite a bit of time on the third line w/ Ben Eager early on in the season.

On the other hand, he was fantastic this year. It will be a tough decision for Chicago. On the other hand... they have quite a bit of young, up-and-coming talent.


I see Khabibulin on his way out. Who knows... they might try salary dumping Huet on another team in exchange for picks and take a stab at Niklas Backstrom.

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I don't see a problem going with Huet and a kid (Crawford?) as the backup. That also creates about 5.5 to 5.75 million in cap space.
Huet has had issues with respect to being handle a ton of games in a season througout his history. Think it would be better for the Hawks to "platoon" him with a veteran (cheap) backup to handle those 25+ games vs sticking a rookie goalie in there.

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Going to be hard to find someone interested in Huet at his present salary - so my guess is that Havlat is the likely one to be re-signed.
I think they can move him if they take a little salary back in the process. An example would be trading Huet to Colorado, but taking on Brett Clark (3.5) or Darcy Tucker's (2.25) salary (both in final years of their contracts).

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Huet has had issues with respect to being handle a ton of games in a season througout his history. Think it would be better for the Hawks to "platoon" him with a veteran (cheap) backup to handle those 25+ games vs sticking a rookie goalie in there.
Chicago need to eventually find out if Crawford can be the 'goalie of the future'. Crawford did well last year in his limited time and his stats have improved year on year in the AHL, I think it's sink or swim time for him.

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Chicago need to eventually find out if Crawford can be the 'goalie of the future'. Crawford did well last year in his limited time and his stats have improved year on year in the AHL, I think it's sink or swim time for him.
I understand that reasoning, but depending on how far the Hawks go this post-season, do you really think there wouldn't be pressure to have more a known commodity between the pipes than a rookie (at least for the number of games we're liking looking at)?

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Rumor is Havlat wants a long term deal. I am guessing that he could have 7 years left...Properly structured, years 1 thru 10 pay 7m, 6m, 6m, 5m, 5m, 3m, 3m, 1m, 1m, 1m.
Total is 38 million = 3.8 million dollar cap hit
1st 7 years total is 35 million = 5 million per year. He then retires after the 7th year. The remaining 3 million dollars and the 3.8 million cap hit both come off the books.

The 2010-11 season, essentially just a year away, is a particuarly important season for Chicago management since that's when Toews and Kane's will have new contracts. Below are some Cap Hit projections for CHI players requiring new deals (conservative figures based on all the creativity CHI mgmt can muster like the above Havlat potential deal), added to the Cap Hits of those with existing deals:

  • Summary
  • $62.415mm Cap Hit
  • $50 to 55 million Salary Cap (lower because of presumed decline in NHL revenues in 2008 and 2009)
  • ~$12-7 million delta (ie, one or two big ticket roster players have to go)



2010 Salary -- Player -- 2010 Cap Hit (* = Cap Hit Projection)

Forwards
  1. UFA-09 --Havlat, Martin-- 3.800*
  2. RFA --Kane, Patrick-- 5.500*
  3. RFA --Toews, Jonathan-- 5.500*
  4. RFA-09 --Bolland, Dave-- 2.500*
  5. RFA-09 --Versteeg, Kris-- 2.500*
  6. 4.100 --Sharp, Patrick-- 3.900
  7. 3.000 --Byfuglien, Dustin-- 3.000
  8. RFA --Ladd, Andrew-- 2.000*
  9. RFA-09 --Brouwer, Troy-- 1.500*
  10. RFA-09 --Eager, Ben-- 1.200*
  11. RFA-09 --Fraser, Colin-- 1.000*
  12. RFA --Skille, Jack-- 1.000*
  13. ? -- new guy -- 0.875*

Defensemen
  1. 7.140 --Campbell, Brian-- 7.140
  2. RFA --Keith, Duncan-- 5.500*
  3. 3.500 --Seabrook, Brent -- 3.500
  4. RFA-09 --Barker, Cam-- 3.000*
  5. RFA --Hjalmarsson, Niklas-- 1.500*
  6. ? -- new guy -- 0.875*


Goalies
  1. 5.625 --Huet, Cristobal -- 5.625
  2. RFA-09 --Crawford, Corey -- 1.000



Potential Call Ups Not Included
  1. new guy -- F Beach, Kyle -- 0.875*
  2. new guy -- F Aliu, Akim -- 0.875*


Not Included
  • UFA-09 --Khabibulin, Nikolai--assumed not resigned
  • UFA-09 --Pahlsson, Samuel--assumed not resigned
  • UFA --Burish, Adam--assumed not resigned
  • UFA-09 --Walker, Matt--assumed not resigned
  • UFA-09 --Johnson, Aaron--assumed not resigned
  • under contract 2.00 --Sopel, Brent--assumed trade in 09/10 (second to last year of his contract)

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I think enless the hawks can get someone to take Huet contract--habby will leave

as for Havlet--got this strange feeling he will go for the money in the off season and ther hawks have to keep one eye on keeping future cap space for the kdis avaialble

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