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05-19-2009, 09:29 AM
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Anyone care to check all the game sheets to see how many roughing minors the Caps had in their 14 playoffs games?

Honestly....I don't remember a single one (I'm sure there were some...just nothing sticks out to me).

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05-19-2009, 09:36 AM
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Anyone care to check all the game sheets to see how many roughing minors the Caps had in their 14 playoffs games?

Honestly....I don't remember a single one (I'm sure there were some...just nothing sticks out to me).
Ovechkin and (I think) Erskine got matching roughing penalties with Malkin and Orpik at the end of the 1st in game 5. But those were really really weak.

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05-19-2009, 09:38 AM
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Anyone care to check all the game sheets to see how many roughing minors the Caps had in their 14 playoffs games?

Honestly....I don't remember a single one (I'm sure there were some...just nothing sticks out to me).
We got plenty of stupid retaliation penalties that ended up being called slashes instead of roughing. Do those count?!

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05-19-2009, 09:57 AM
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Ovechkin and (I think) Erskine got matching roughing penalties with Malkin and Orpik at the end of the 1st in game 5. But those were really really weak.
Here's the total roughing calls for the Rangers series...

Game Team Penalty Player
2 Washington roughing - 2 min 9:39, A. Semin
3 Washington roughing - 2 min 8:17, D. Brashear
5 Washington roughing - 2 min 20:00, J. Erskine
5 Washington roughing - 2 min 20:00, J. Erskine served by A. Ovechkin
5 Washington roughing - 2 min 4:03, D. Brashear served by E. Fehr
6 Washington roughing - 2 min 9:54, D. Brashear
6 Washington roughing - 2 min 15:03, S. Morrisonn
6 Washington roughing - 2 min 19:26, M. Jurcina

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05-19-2009, 10:01 AM
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Penguins series...

Game Team Penalty Player
2 Washington roughing - 2 min 5:28, A. Semin
5 Washington roughing - 2 min 20:00, J. Erskine
5 Washington roughing - 2 min 20:00, A. Ovechkin

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05-19-2009, 10:11 AM
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Even more fun with stats...

Here's the break down of types of penalties per team for each series.

Compared to the other types of calls the Caps were taking....I'd much rather have more roughing calls.
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Rangers

roughing - 2 min 11
holding - 2 min 7
tripping - 2 min 5
high sticking - 2 min 4
interference - 2 min 4
misconduct - 10 min 4
slashing - 2 min 3
hooking - 2 min 2
boarding - 2 min 1
charging - 2 min 1
interference with goaltender - 2 min 1
too many men on the ice - 2 min 1
Grand Total 44

Capitals

hooking - 2 min 11
roughing - 2 min 8
holding - 2 min 4
interference - 2 min 3
puck over glass - 2 min 3
tripping - 2 min 2
high sticking - 2 min 2
slashing - 2 min 2
cross check - 2 min 2
misconduct - 10 min 1
elbowing - 2 min 1
Grand Total 39
Penguins

hooking - 2 min 3
roughing - 2 min 3
interference - 2 min 3
cross check - 2 min 3
puck over glass - 2 min 2
tripping - 2 min 2
slashing - 2 min 2
too many men on the ice - 2 min 2
elbowing - 2 min 1
charging - 2 min 1
holding the stick - 2 min 1
Grand Total 23

Capitals

interference - 2 min 7
tripping - 2 min 7
slashing - 2 min 5
cross check - 2 min 4
roughing - 2 min 3
holding - 2 min 3
high sticking - 2 min 3
hooking - 2 min 2
delay of game - 2 min 2
elbowing - 2 min 1
interference - 2 min 1
Grand Total 38

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05-19-2009, 10:24 AM
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I have to agree with this. At that point then its a matter of degrees. For instance we can look at Matt Bradley. Bradley hits and forechecks hard. He is obviously willing to fight above his ability and take a few for the team. He racks up penalty minutes. He, however, doesn't play with an edge. He does not play on the edge of what is acceptable. His minor penalties are mistakes, not part of the plan. He does not crosscheck or high stick or elbow a guy for effect and take the consequences if he is caught.
I wouldn't call 59, 74, 47 and 72 in four seasons anything close to racking up the PIMs. Bradley hits but he's clean 99% of the time and isn't a pest or a player that's feared. Decent energy line player that picks up a lot of hits considering his ice-time but not a physical force or a guy that fearlessly makes life miserable for the opposition.
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I don't think the Caps want a 150pim's agitator who is always in the penalty box, because they don't want a player like that to create a great PK issue than they already have.

My view is that if they decide to bring in PIM's it will be pain PIM's from a Brendan Witt style defenseman than annoying PIM's from a Cooke/Avery type player.
Ideally you don't want a defenseman racking up that much time in the box either. If there's room for a 100+ PIM player on the roster it's in a hard-charging top 6 winger that will play the game like a Hartnell or Morrow. The Caps were looking to get that on the cheap in Clark and his ability to get back on his game and healthy is going to be key going forward, especially if Kozlov isn't back and another winger isn't brought in to compete for a spot. He looks like he's lost a step, though, and in today's game that's huge.

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05-19-2009, 10:43 AM
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When you bring the fight to your opponents, and take roughing penalties etc, you get your money back. They get pissed and club you later, a PP for us. Often a guy will punch you back at the time though, matching minors. When all the pansie ass penalties we takes are hooks and holds, there is never a matching minor. And you get a bad rep.

Mike Keenan said it best, they are going call us for penalties, I'd rather them be instigators cross checks and roughing penalties. Zero fighting majors in our games is indictitive to me of the (lack of) fight that we put up.

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Is he small? I have it stuck in my head that he's small. Maybe I'm wrong.
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05-19-2009, 10:55 AM
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still catching up, but was skimming this thread and tracked down this recent article; saw you already posted the height/weight, but here's an article from 4/28 about the Seabrook brothers, including the size difference link

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Anyone care to check all the game sheets to see how many roughing minors the Caps had in their 14 playoffs games?

Honestly....I don't remember a single one (I'm sure there were some...just nothing sticks out to me).
Semin got a double minor for beating on Oprik one way or the other. I dont recall if they specifically called that roughing or not, but it falls in that catagory.

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05-19-2009, 11:38 AM
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I wouldn't call 59, 74, 47 and 72 in four seasons anything close to racking up the PIMs. Bradley hits but he's clean 99% of the time and isn't a pest or a player that's feared. Decent energy line player that picks up a lot of hits considering his ice-time but not a physical force or a guy that fearlessly makes life miserable for the opposition.

Ideally you don't want a defenseman racking up that much time in the box either. If there's room for a 100+ PIM player on the roster it's in a hard-charging top 6 winger that will play the game like a Hartnell or Morrow. The Caps were looking to get that on the cheap in Clark and his ability to get back on his game and healthy is going to be key going forward, especially if Kozlov isn't back and another winger isn't brought in to compete for a spot. He looks like he's lost a step, though, and in today's game that's huge.
Bradley: That is what I said. He hits, but doesnt play with an edge.
Clark: $2.6m is cheap?

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Bradley: That is what I said. He hits, but doesnt play with an edge.
He was questioning your statement that Bradley racks up PIM's...which he doesn't.

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He was questioning your statement that Bradley racks up PIM's...which he doesn't.
This concept that the Caps somehow need more players like Matt Bradley is blowing my mind. I guess they're in more trouble than I thought.

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Clark: $2.6m is cheap?
I was referring to the means of acquiring him. Two late rounds picks along with a late round pick coming back with him.

The Caps need more guys in the top 6 that will get their noses dirty. There's currently Ovechkin and...that's pretty much it. This is why Clark's return to form is likely so crucial.

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Whats the deal here? I guess its typical. They won game 1 and so were to cruise to a series win. They lose game 3 and they suck. They lost a 7 game 2nd round to a team with a couple years more developement and so the meltdown starts.

Fire McPhee, Boudreau can't coach. $5m for a 23 year old D that scored more goals in less than 70 games than even Bobby Orr was a mistake. Talk about soft. This is a hoot.

The team is just not ready yet. Kolzig didnt last to 40 and Varlamov was not ready yet. They were not going to win the Stanley Cup with a 21 year old rook that doesnt have 10 NHL regular season games under his belt.

Get a grip.
didnt he win in russia?

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didnt he win in russia?
winning in russia equates to winning in the nhl? not remotely.

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Ted's (or GM's, who knows) first five year plan lead us directly to the first overall pick in 2005 and Alex Ovechkin, so that was a huge success . The second 5 year plan, which is essentially what the first five year plan was supposed to look like, is much better, but I'm not convinced its Cup ready now or anytime soon. Deep playoff runs are possible if we get some hot goalie play like Varly in the Rags series, but Cups? Not quite yet.
David,

I've noticed a lot of us that were around from the very first Cap's message boards have posted on the different boards lately, you, cstanton, rblatch, etc. In addition, I still talk to quite a number of others from the old days who are just too busy and/or have just lost interest in the boards.

Interestingly enough, our posts and views are all pretty much the same on this.

So I post this realizing that I'm "preaching to the choir," so to speak.

McPhee's Cap's teams are never as good, nor as bad, as they look.

A team you expect to do well in the playoffs can go into Pittsburgh and lose 7-0, and the current team can win an exciting game 6, and not show up for game 7.

You're never sure what team is going to show up.

Some will claim that advancing to the 2nd round proves the team is improving, but IMO, it speaks as much to the weakness of the East and the ineptitude of the Rangers.

This weakness certainly may lend us the ability to win the division again next year, and compete in the SCP again.

But you're quite correct; we're never going to win a Cup with the current scheme.

Against the forces amassing in the West, there can be no victory.

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David,

I've noticed a lot of us that were around from the very first Cap's message boards have posted on the different boards lately, you, cstanton, rblatch, etc. In addition, I still talk to quite a number of others from the old days who are just too busy and/or have just lost interest in the boards.

Interestingly enough, our posts and views are all pretty much the same on this.

So I post this realizing that I'm "preaching to the choir," so to speak.

McPhee's Cap's teams are never as good, nor as bad, as they look.

A team you expect to do well in the playoffs can go into Pittsburgh and lose 7-0, and the current team can win an exciting game 6, and not show up for game 7.

You're never sure what team is going to show up.

Some will claim that advancing to the 2nd round proves the team is improving, but IMO, it speaks as much to the weakness of the East and the ineptitude of the Rangers.

This weakness certainly may lend us the ability to win the division again next year, and compete in the SCP again.

But you're quite correct; we're never going to win a Cup with the current scheme.

Against the forces amassing in the West, there can be no victory.
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I rest my case...
What? Look at "Draft by team" and go through the numbers yourself. I've looked at the numbers, other scouting reports, etc. before for the recent draft picks, and they back up what I said. I'm not going to waste my time compiling the numbers for someone throwing baseless accusations around.

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This thread is from after the 2009 playoff defeat against the Pens. It's fun to compare what we thought then to what we think now.

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i'm not certain you understand what "fun" means.

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I don't remember nor do I really wanna know what I said back then....I'm sure I was furious after having been at game 7.

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