I have never really heard of Seidenberg before the playoffs but he has been really impressive this far in the playoffs and would be a welcome edition to our back end if we can't sign beauch...
I don't think Pahlsson wants to come back. Him or Moen. I don't think it was a coincedence that once they left we improved. I love everything those guys did for us but I think they both had enough of Carlysle were a major part of our sub-par season. I'd rather have Marhcant brought back, he won't cost as much either.
hmm
thought the release of Pahlsson was more due to his injury and he didn't play many games.
Didn't he say he would like to come back to Anaheim, since he will be a UFA?
Think Sutter would entertain something around Pronger for Regehr? He's a downgrade offensively but much cheaper while bringing a nasty physical game. Sutter might want to change his stagnant, underachieving core up a bit.
I like the idea of signing Antropov (if it is NOT an overpayment) and Koivu (only on a 1 year) deal.
I also like the idea of eliminating a checking line and rolling 3 scoring lines and 1 energy/checking line.
I like the idea of trading Pronger in a 3 for 1 monster deal, but I think we're going to have budget concerns and we'll be around $50 million... no where close to the cap.
I don't think we'll be able to move Giguere, so I think trading Hiller for some offensive depth make sense if the free agent market turns out to be too expensive. I don't think we'll get someone like Gagne for him, but we might get a untested guy... maybe JVR or in tampa stamkos with a 1st round pick + Ebbet or Miller.
I also think we'll be lucky if Wiz takes less than $2.5 million and Franky is going to get 4+ million from someone. He came back and proved he's ready to go for next season.
1 Getzlaf Perry
2 3 Selanne
Carter Nokia Ebbett
Brown Marchant Parros
1 = a big free agent forward (Antropov/Pyatt) 2 million max
2 = a top 6 winger traded for with Hiller or Pronger. A finisher/sniper
3 = free agent center (Koivu/Sullivan) $ 3.5-4 million
I like it but i think we should give Bobby Ryan a chance to stick with the big club fulltime next season. If he can then we don't need 1/2.
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I wouldn't trade Pronger straight up for Reghr (sp?) and I don't think Calgargy can move much else after the olli trade.
Dunno.. Regehr has a sweet contract, 4M until -13 and he's a stud on defense.
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I like it but i think we should give Bobby Ryan a chance to stick with the big club fulltime next season. If he can then we don't need 1/2.
Dunno.. Regehr has a sweet contract, 4M until -13 and he's a stud on defense.
Hehe, not even questionable to me. Ryan's made the big club next season once he got the #9 on his jersey.
Not sure if Pronger would even want to play in Calgary, if Edmonton wasn't to his liking, Calgary, Alberta, Canada might not be to his liking. Who are we kidding. To his wife's liking.
He is, but I wouldn't want to see Pronger in the western conference and have to answer those questions...
Man I can't believe I forgot about Ryan... I know he was invisible in the 2nd round but thats just cruel.
im sure bobby was injured cause his physical game wasn't there against detroit. and i agree that i don't want to see pronger in the west either. trade him to a playoff caliber team(not cup contender) in the east.
im sure bobby was injured cause his physical game wasn't there against detroit. and i agree that i don't want to see pronger in the west either. trade him to a playoff caliber team(not cup contender) in the east.
I don't think your going to get a great return unless its from a contending team.
I see two options out east: Philly and Pittsburgh. Other contending teams out there either have cap problems or not the sort of assets we need. Pittsburgh interest depends on whether they fail again this year to make it.
Pronger + Hiller for Jeff Carter? Would seem like a decent trade for both teams.
Pronger for Jordan Staal? Staal is a bit overrated but seems like a Ducks sort of player and has undeniable upside.
I think Cole will resign in Carolina.
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Assuming the cap stays the same ($56.7 million) this would put us at $56.6 million, so $100k below the cap.
Cole would be a good choice (ignoring the Carolina thing) as he's a good hitter, he scores goals, and he's fast, something we could use. Problem with Cole is he's a RW. They tried him at points at LW in Carolina, and especially Edmonton. Never worked. With Selanne and Perry and Ryan (who can play on the left though), Cole doesn't help us much.
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My think just might be in left field, but why do we need a "shutdown" line.
I think if we have good enough puck possession and responsible back checking, we should roll 3 lines.
Think back to the cup run with, we had three line that could control the puck, even with the so called shut down line.
I think we need to get away from the mentality of 2 scoring lines, shut down line and energy line.
One good reason to have a shutdown line is because defensive players are typically cheaper. NHL players tend to get paid more on point production than ice time. So a shutdown line could be cheaper, allowing a team to have better scorers on the scoring line. That wasn't the case with our shutdown line though, with Rob making 2 million, Pahlsson making 1.5 (which is market, but not cheap) and Marchant making 2.5 on the 3rd/4th line. But in theory a shutdown line could be a great area to get cap value.
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id be surprised if the Ducks could do another season at the cap max.
Absolutely. I'd expect a budget of like 50 million. Although I said that last year too and we all know how that went.
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To Philadelphia:
-Jonas Hiller
To Anaheim:
-Simon Gagne
Why Anaheim does it:
Secondary scoring. Gagne essentially gives the Ducks a second line.
Why Philadelphia does it:
They have no goalies under contract for next season, and Hiller is cheap. Gagne isn't a huge loss because of Philly's scoring depth.
I like this one. I think Gagne would be a good pickup. He's pricey though.
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To Montreal:
-Andrew Ebbett
To Anaheim:
-Jaroslov Halak
I don't think this gets it done. A) Halak is probably worth more and B) Montreal needs to be getting away from having a bunch of small, offensive guys. So even if the value were there, I don't think that's the direction Montreal would go.
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To Washington:
-Chris Pronger
To Anaheim
-Tomas Fleischmann
-Shaone Morrisonn
-John Carlson
You might have had a chance at that big of a package last trade deadline when Washington would be getting 2 playoffs out of Pronger (as well as trade deadline inflation), but I don't think Pronger can net as much in the offseason.
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I see two options out east: Philly and Pittsburgh. Other contending teams out there either have cap problems or not the sort of assets we need. Pittsburgh interest depends on whether they fail again this year to make it.
Pronger + Hiller for Jeff Carter? Would seem like a decent trade for both teams.
Pronger for Jordan Staal? Staal is a bit overrated but seems like a Ducks sort of player and has undeniable upside.
No to Staal. I don't see how so many people keep saying he has huge upside. He's big, he skates decently, he made the NHL at 18, and he's decent defensively. That's about it. Where's this supposed huge upside come from? I haven't really seen him show top level hands at any level. He wasn't a big scorer (or a scorer at all) in juniors. I also really dislike his contract, it's Dustin Penner risky in that it was made with them expecting him to grow into the contract. But even ignoring my qualms with Staal in particular, I still don't think that his supposed "Pittsburgh dreaming" upside is worth Pronger 1 for 1.
My priority #1 in looking for a 2nd line guy for the team is goal scoring. Perry and Selanne are the only guys on the team that can shoot the puck. Maybe Ryan too now. When Selanne retires, we might be short on that. That's why guys like Kotalik, Cole, etc interest me more than say a Tanguay or Koivu. It would be nice to get a goal scorer for a few years so we have that need solved for awhile.
My priority #1 in looking for a 2nd line guy for the team is goal scoring. Perry and Selanne are the only guys on the team that can shoot the puck. Maybe Ryan too now. When Selanne retires, we might be short on that. That's why guys like Kotalik, Cole, etc interest me more than say a Tanguay or Koivu. It would be nice to get a goal scorer for a few years so we have that need solved for awhile.
After edmonton, I can't see Cole leaving Carolina again. Also I really hate 1 dimensional players that all they do is score (i.e. Cammalleri).
Knuble would be interesting choice on the top line, but I think so would Antropov/Pyatt and he may not be much cheaper. Their younger so I'd go that direction.
Hossa I think will be too expensive and I personally don't like how he plays in the playoffs.
Gaborik/Havlat is too risk/rewardish. Guerin and Tkachuk are aging.
I think it would be possible to sell Koivu on a 1 year deal just because he'd love to play with Selanne and a line of him Selanne and Ryan would be fun too watch.
it would also take a lot of pressure of a Carter/Ebett line.
Btw, I think Carter might be 3rd guy on the team that can shoot/has a nice shot. Getzlaf will learn this too soon I think.
Philly trading Carter is about as likely as us trading Getzlaf.
Yes, because behind Getzlaf we have depth like Richards, Briere and Giroux. Because after trading Getzlaf, we'd still have 11 million tied up long-term in 2 centermen.
Carter's tradeability is much closer to Pronger than it is to Getzlaf.
Yes, because behind Getzlaf we have depth like Richards, Briere and Giroux. Because after trading Getzlaf, we'd still have 11 million tied up long-term in 2 centermen.
Carter's tradeability is much closer to Pronger than it is to Getzlaf.
If you have a logjam at a position, you don't trade the 24 year old superstar. You trade that depth. I don't care if we had Richards, Briere, and Giroux behind Getzlaf, I'm still not trading Getzlaf. Sorry.
If you have a logjam at a position, you don't trade the 24 year old superstar. You trade that depth. I don't care if we had Richards, Briere, and Giroux behind Getzlaf, I'm still not trading Getzlaf. Sorry.
Carter is not as good as Getzlaf. Not even close. Richards is their no.1 centerman.
Richars, 12 year contract, captain, best player
Briere, 6 year contract, NMC
They won't trade Richards, Briere won't get them anything even if he waives the NMC, trading Giroux won't allow them to take salary back.
Sorry, Carter is the most likely to be traded in a trade for Pronger + Hiller. That team has no goaltender and a very suspect defense, remember.
Carter is not as good as Getzlaf. Not even close. Richards is their no.1 centerman.
Well, to me it's more like 1A and 1B. I mean, 40+ goal scorers don't grow on trees these days. The guy's a star, and while he's not as good as Getzlaf it's not a chasm either.
Still, point taken that he's the most tradeable of the bunch. But Philly's main strength IS the fact that they have 2 #1 centers, which has historically been a very successful recipe, and they may choose to find other solutions to filling their holes that won't require breaking that up.
I think they'd probably trade something good for Hiller alone, which would solve half their issues. But it would take serious balls for them to unload Carter. There's only a handful of GMs gutsy enough to make a move like that.
But Philly's main strength IS the fact that they have 2 #1 centers, which has historically been a very successful recipe, and they may choose to find other solutions to filling their holes that won't require breaking that up.
Problem with that is they compete against a team with a better pair of #1 centers. It's 2-0 so far for Crosby&Malkin in the playoffs againt them.
Sure, they might try to go after Bouwmeester by dumping Lupul and whatnot but it's hardly a given they get him or that JayBo proves to be a good playoff performer. And then the need for a cheap goalie becomes paramount.
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But it would take serious balls for them to unload Carter. There's only a handful of GMs gutsy enough to make a move like that.
Paul Holmgren i believe belongs to that group. That stunt he pulled to scoop Timonen and Hartnell before free agency was brilliant.
I don't know if it just me, but I thought Wis played terrible after he came back from that lung contusion. Did anyone else notice?
Well, it made sense that he was rushed back after taking a shot like that in the chest, who wouldn't?
Aside from him, I'd say if Scott returns, the best time to use Pronger as trade bait would be at the draft, get a higher 1st round pick in return as well as a few assets and get a good prospect in return to restock the cupboard a bit.
