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what is Kaberle's trade value?

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05-18-2009, 10:24 AM
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He'll get a better package than D.Boyle got a couple yrs back. He's younger, better contract. Just as good as Boyle was back than.

Late 1st ,Top prospect, nhl ready player is what Boyle got...so....Kaberle should get...

late 1st (25-30), Top prospect, young NHL player with upside

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Better (mid) 1st round pick, top prospect, 3rd line player

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even better 1st (5-10), Top prospect
ummm... last year?

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05-18-2009, 12:33 PM
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Honestly, I think the Isles would be lucky to get Kaberle straight up for the 1st overall pick.

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Not even going to try and respond. I'll let this speak for itself.

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The guy is going to fetch a Pronger/Boyle type return, if not more. Accept it..
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05-18-2009, 12:39 PM
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Not even going to try and respond. I'll let this speak for itself.



Your honor, I rest my case.

The accused is guilty of homerism, please set the bail high.
Like you've said plenty of times, everyone is entitled to having an opinion

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05-18-2009, 12:58 PM
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I stopped reading at page 4 but he is a pretty soft player.

For a team trying to get into the playoffs he's good. he generates points at a reasonable rate. A team that is solid enough to be able to deal [a roster player, a first and a prospect] is probably already a playoff team and need to get over the "hump".

I doubt Kaberle is the answer to the hump.

A team like Columbus might like him, the Thrashers would; Philly, the Rangers and the like have no need for a soft-ish deteriorating European player.

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Don't accuse me of homerism or any leaf sentiment because I don't really give a damn about the leafs and my avatar/title/name is in support of my favorite current player and favorite former player I'm not a "Franco habs homer". That being said I would say the same about our very own Roman Hamrlik; he's good but not great and is non-physical. No team already in the playoffs needs him and no team that is outside-looking-in can afford him.

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05-18-2009, 01:08 PM
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I stopped reading at page 4 but he is a pretty soft player.

For a team trying to get into the playoffs he's good. he generates points at a reasonable rate. A team that is solid enough to be able to deal [a roster player, a first and a prospect] is probably already a playoff team and need to get over the "hump".

I doubt Kaberle is the answer to the hump.

A team like Columbus might like him, the Thrashers would; Philly, the Rangers and the like have no need for a soft-ish deteriorating European player.

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Don't accuse me of homerism or any leaf sentiment because I don't really give a damn about the leafs and my avatar/title/name is in support of my favorite current player and favorite former player I'm not a "Franco habs homer". That being said I would say the same about our very own Roman Hamrlik; he's good but not great and is non-physical. No team already in the playoffs needs him and no team that is outside-looking-in can afford him.
You've got the wrong comparison buddy... when you think of Tomas Kaberle; think Andrei Markov with a better contract. Would you trade that for another team's trash?

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05-18-2009, 01:22 PM
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You've got the wrong comparison buddy... when you think of Tomas Kaberle; think Andrei Markov with a better contract. Would you trade that for another team's trash?
Are we talking about the same Andrei Markov?

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Like you've said plenty of times, everyone is entitled to having an opinion

If I got on the board and declared that Mark Streit has the same trade value as Pronger, if not more, and that he was easily worth the first pick in the draft, would you just respond by thinking "Oh, Darth is entitled to his opinion" or would you call me on it?

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Yeah, you guys can keep your late 1sts or secondary prospects, and we'll keep our 4-time allstar defenceman on an excellent contract. Making a deal like that just makes no sense at all for the Leafs.

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05-18-2009, 07:06 PM
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You've got the wrong comparison buddy... when you think of Tomas Kaberle; think Andrei Markov with a better contract. Would you trade that for another team's trash?
Markov is great and non-physical. Kaberle is good and non-physical.

If you want to argue, I'm sure stats will back me up.

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05-18-2009, 07:10 PM
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To LA:
Tomas Kaberle
1st round pick (7th overall)

To Toronto:
Jack Johnson
Brian Boyle
1st round pick (5th overall)

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05-18-2009, 07:12 PM
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To LA:
Tomas Kaberle
1st round pick (7th overall)

To Toronto:
Jack Johnson
Brian Boyle
1st round pick (5th overall)
wat

I don't watch the Kings play but isn't Jack Johnson like a blue-chip prospect or something?

Why would you want to trade a 5th ovr. and JJ for TK and 7ovr. AND STILL offer BB? WHY?!

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05-18-2009, 07:18 PM
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wat

I don't watch the Kings play but isn't Jack Johnson like a blue-chip prospect or something?

Why would you want to trade a 5th ovr. and JJ for TK and 7ovr. AND STILL offer BB? WHY?!
Maybe you're right. I was trying not to overvalue my team's players and might have undervalued them.

How about JJ for Kaberle straight up?

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Markov is great and non-physical. Kaberle is good and non-physical.

If you want to argue, I'm sure stats will back me up.
If you're talking about this year, sure. Over the course of their careers, no way. They're very similar players in my books.

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05-18-2009, 07:21 PM
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To LA:
Tomas Kaberle
1st round pick (7th overall)

To Toronto:
Jack Johnson
Brian Boyle
1st round pick (5th overall)
The Leafs would take that and run.

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05-18-2009, 07:27 PM
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Maybe you're right. I was trying not to overvalue my team's players and might have undervalued them.

How about JJ for Kaberle straight up?
I'm not too high on Johnson myself, but the first offer seemed relatively fair for a rebuilding team. I don't think Toronto would want to do a straight up swap, mostly because Kaberle's still signed for a couple of years at a fair price. There's no real impetus for them to do it, and I'm not sure that JJ has that much upside to make it worthwhile.

Of course, this depends on what you think of Johnson - I know some Kings fans think the world of him, so a deal like this likely wouldn't appeal to them. Hard to say where Kings management stands on all of this, but this wouldn't be a typical Dean Lombardi move.

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05-18-2009, 07:41 PM
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Markov is great and non-physical. Kaberle is good and non-physical.

If you want to argue, I'm sure stats will back me up.
Coming from a true Habs fan.

Markov had the better year; but Kaberle is the much smarter defenceman.

As for the proposed Johnson trade; it essentially boils down to Johnson, Brian Boyle, and a 3rd round pick for Kaberle.

From a Leaf perspective, its definitely a tough deal. Johnson isn't anyhwere near the player that he was projected to be, and after 120 games; I'm not so sure he's going to elevate his game much more. I'm not sure the appeal of Boyle is enough to justify the dropoff from Kaberle to Johnson. He's been a long term project for the kings and 6 seasons after being drafted; he's only managed to get himself into 36 games. I think his upside as a top 6 forward has problably passed; and he'll be a guy who is a career journeyman between the AHL and an bad NHL teams 4th line. As for the jump to 5th from 7th, its something that could be accomplished with a guy like Lee Stempniak.

From the Kings perspective, its also a pretty tough deal to make. Kaberle brings much of the same that Doughty brings (albiet in a much better overall package right now); and Doughty could elevate his game as soon as next year. Therefore, the appeal of using your long term #3 defenceman to acquire a guy like Kaberle doesn't really make a lot of sense. They're a pretty patient team.


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Boyle's a guy I'd be willing to take a chance on, despite his numbers. There's not many big men with his skill-set. So far as the gap between 5 and 7 goes, that's probably worth roughly a 2nd rounder. So it breaks down to Johnson, Boyle, and a 2nd rounder. I'd probably do it, but it isn't that huge an offer - again though, that hinges on what your opinion of JJ is. If you think he's JMFJ, you probably won't like this deal as a Kings fan. If he's JJ to you, it might be ok.

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Markov is great and non-physical. Kaberle is good and non-physical.

If you want to argue, I'm sure stats will back me up.
You might want to think before posting.

Kaberle - 433 points in 738 games = .59 points per game
Markov - 329 points in 571 games = .58 points per game

Pretty good comparison actually.

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Coming from a true Habs fan.

Markov had the better year; but Kaberle is the much smarter defenceman.

As for the proposed Johnson trade; it essentially boils down to Johnson, Brian Boyle, and a 3rd round pick for Kaberle.

From a Leaf perspective, its definitely a tough deal. Johnson isn't anyhwere near the player that he was projected to be, and after 120 games; I'm not so sure he's going to elevate his game much more. I'm not sure the appeal of Boyle is enough to justify the dropoff from Kaberle to Johnson. He's been a long term project for the kings and 6 seasons after being drafted; he's only managed to get himself into 36 games. I think his upside as a top 6 forward has problably passed; and he'll be a guy who is a career journeyman between the AHL and an bad NHL teams 4th line. As for the jump to 5th from 7th, its something that could be accomplished with a guy like Lee Stempniak.

From the Kings perspective, its also a pretty tough deal to make. Kaberle brings much of the same that Doughty brings (albiet in a much better overall package right now); and Doughty could elevate his game as soon as next year. Therefore, the appeal of using your long term #3 defenceman to acquire a guy like Kaberle doesn't really make a lot of sense. They're a pretty patient team.
Johnson doesn't sound like he's a long term guy for the Kings. Dreger was just on TSN saying that he wants to sign in Russia for next season.

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05-18-2009, 09:37 PM
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The Leafs would take that and run.
Far. Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar. Away

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To LA:
Tomas Kaberle
1st round pick (7th overall)

To Toronto:
Jack Johnson
Brian Boyle
1st round pick (5th overall)
i think i like it

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Not even going to try and respond. I'll let this speak for itself.
Speaks to me. Proven all-star play trumps potential all-star play.

Let's not get greedy here. Team needs aside, I think he's right.

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Johnson doesn't sound like he's a long term guy for the Kings. Dreger was just on TSN saying that he wants to sign in Russia for next season.
Dreger never said anything of the kind. What he did say was that JJ Sr contact a team in the KHL to find out what kind of offer JJ could get. The main purpose appears to be driving up the offer he gets from the Kings. Dreger never even hinted that JJ was seriously considering signing in Russia next season.

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Speaks to me. Proven all-star play trumps potential all-star play.

Let's not get greedy here. Team needs aside, I think he's right.

Let's not get "greedy" eh?

Here is a Leaf fan who thinks Kaberle is worth the #1 overall and think Kaberle has the same value as Pronger, and he is also telling us "not to get greedy."

Here is my counter response: Let's not get delusional. Anybody who thinks that Kaberle=Pronger, or that Kaberle gets you the 1st outright, needs to check into a psychiatric hospital for eval.

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Kaberle does not = Pronger

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