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Match the Tampa 2nd Overall <-> Toronto offer with players from your team

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05-15-2009, 01:22 PM
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Match the Tampa 2nd Overall <-> Toronto offer with players from your team

The goal of this exercise is to what other teams could offer instead of the Toronto offer while meeting the Lightnings requirements. I don't believe Tampa is after a "young stud" defenseman so much as a "young stud" but do think they want a offensive, veteran D.

I believe the actual framework Tampa was looking for is as follows:
Young stud + Offensive, veteran D + your first

With that framework Edmonton could conceivably offer:

1) Gagner + Gilbert + 10th overall
2) Gagner + Souray + 10th overall
3) Gagner + Vishnovsky + 10th overall

If I were Edmonton's GM I would do any those offers.

What could your team offer? And would you do it?

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The goal of this exercise is to what other teams could offer instead of the Toronto offer while meeting the Lightnings requirements. I don't believe Tampa is after a "young stud" defenseman so much as a "young stud" but do think they want a offensive, veteran D.

I believe the actual framework Tampa was looking for is as follows:
Young stud + Offensive, veteran D + your first

With that framework Edmonton could conceivably offer:

1) Gagner + Gilbert + 10th overall
2) Gagner + Souray + 10th overall
3) Gagner + Vishnovsky + 10th overall

If I were Edmonton's GM I would do any those offers.

What could your team offer? And would you do it?

What "offer" are you talking about? Burke specifically stated that he had never received any such "offer" from Tampa.

What we know is that Tampa ownership leaked the idea that they'd want Schenn, Kaberle and the 7th. As far as Burke says, he has never been offered a deal of this nature.

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Schneider + Raymond + 1st round pick

Canucks take Hedman

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From a Flyers stand point this is what I'd offer:

Parent + JVR + 2010 1st or Parent + 2009 1st + 2010 1st

Hell, if that's not viewed as enough I'd even change Parent to ourn (I know, please don't shoot me my felloe Flyers fans). However, I can' se us giving up both JVR AND our 09 1st, it pretty much hs to b jus one ofthe 2.

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05-15-2009, 01:37 PM
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What "offer" are you talking about? Burke specifically stated that he had never received any such "offer" from Tampa.

What we know is that Tampa ownership leaked the idea that they'd want Schenn, Kaberle and the 7th. As far as Burke says, he has never been offered a deal of this nature.
Burke's a liar.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/...g_trade_talks/

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Leafs general manager Brian Burke has confirmed to Sportsnet that the Lightning have asked for Toronto defencemen Tomas Kaberle and Luke Schenn along with the team's No. 7 pick in exchange for Tampa's No. 2 selection.

*edit* Haha, the article has been edited after the fact?

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Schneider + Raymond + 1st round pick

Canucks take Hedman
Canucks cant get that pick if Hodgson isn't in the deal.

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Young stud + Offensive, veteran D + your first

Purcell, Preissing and 5th overall



Obviously the term 'stud' is loosely defined.

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Purcell, Preissing and 5th overall



Obviously the term 'stud' is loosely defined.
As is the word 'Offensive'

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Gagner; Gilbert and Chorney; would like to try and keep our 10th pick over all or add in Nash to the mix.

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I'm interested to see what you guys think of my offer. Maybe Cobrun + JVR + 2010 1st is't a bad proposal. I mean who wouldn't want to have Coburn, he's looked very good in just his 3rd year and he's looking like a top pairing dman more and more. JVR, well, he's probably better than you can get with our pick at #21. JVR would be a great wing for a Lightning team in need of elite wingers. They also get a 1st in next years draft. I'd be a little nervous about giving up this much froma Flyers POV but I'd like to see a top pairing of Hedmen - Sbisa for 10 years or more.

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The goal of this exercise is to what other teams could offer instead of the Toronto offer while meeting the Lightnings requirements. I don't believe Tampa is after a "young stud" defenseman so much as a "young stud" but do think they want a offensive, veteran D.

I believe the actual framework Tampa was looking for is as follows:
Young stud + Offensive, veteran D + your first

With that framework Edmonton could conceivably offer:

1) Gagner + Gilbert + 10th overall
2) Gagner + Souray + 10th overall
3) Gagner + Vishnovsky + 10th overall

If I were Edmonton's GM I would do any those offers.

What could your team offer? And would you do it?
If we are trading for Tampa's pick it is because NYI took Hedman and it the Tavares pick. That means the only name that isn't on the table from us is Gagner as the entire point would be to reunite these best friends to lead our forward core for the next 20years.

I would offer up Hemsky + Smid + 10th(Kulikov/OEL/Cowen/Ellis) or Visnovsky + Cogliano + 10th. But not Gagner.

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To Tampa:

Alex Edler, Mason Raymond, 2009 1st round pick, 2009 2nd round pick, 2010 1st round pick.

To Vancouver:

2009 2nd overall pick

(assuming NYI is going Hedman)

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Tampa will want quality, not quantity.

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Overpayment central.

Tampa didnt offer, they said IF the leafs wanted the 2nd, it would take Kaberle, Schenn and the 7th overall. Burke laughed at this for a reason.

Thats like giving up 3 first rounders and then some to move up 5 spots in the draft.

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Overpayment central.

Tampa didnt offer, they said IF the leafs wanted the 2nd, it would take Kaberle, Schenn and the 7th overall. Burke laughed at this for a reason.

Thats like giving up 3 first rounders and then some to move up 5 spots in the draft.
It was quite rediculous wasn't it.
It would be like 3 1st rounders (2 top 10 and 1 mid round) a top prospect and 3rd liner.

Just ludicrous.

Lawton shoud be extatic to get Kaberle, the 7th overall, Stajan/2nd in 09 for the 2nd overall pick + salary dump. Even that is an overpayment.

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If we are trading for Tampa's pick it is because NYI took Hedman and it the Tavares pick. That means the only name that isn't on the table from us is Gagner as the entire point would be to reunite these best friends to lead our forward core for the next 20years.

I would offer up Hemsky + Smid + 10th(Kulikov/OEL/Cowen/Ellis) or Visnovsky + Cogliano + 10th. But not Gagner.
You would offer up Hemsky before Gagner? LOL, I bet Edmonton fans are happy you're not the GM.

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Burke's a liar.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/...g_trade_talks/




*edit* Haha, the article has been edited after the fact?

Here's what the article really said:

Toronto president and general manager Brian Burke, who has made no secret of his desire to climb up the selection process, said in an e-mail no offer has been made. He also reiterated Schenn is not going anywhere and has been so informed.

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For Montreal, it would be something like...

McDonagh/Subban + Markov + 16th (I think...)

or

Pacioretty + Markov + 16th or 17th

The thing is... there's a huge gap between the 7th pick and the 16th pick. I believe Markov superior to Kaberle, and Pacioretty inferior to Schenn. Habs would then have to add McDonagh/Subban to the 2nd deal (or Pacioretty in the first).

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It was quite rediculous wasn't it.
It would be like 3 1st rounders (2 top 10 and 1 mid round) a top prospect and 3rd liner.

Just ludicrous.

Lawton shoud be extatic to get Kaberle, the 7th overall, Stajan/2nd in 09 for the 2nd overall pick + salary dump. Even that is an overpayment.

Keep telling yourself that Kaberle is going to get you a major bump up in the draft. But, come Oct, he'll have a Maple Leaf on his chest and Hedman will be a Bolt.
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Keep telling yourself that Kaberle is going to get you a major bump up in the draft. But, come Oct, he'll have a Maple Leaf on his chest and Hedman will be a Bolt.
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it's possible Kaberle would be in the deal. TB's owner publically demanded Kaberle to be involved in the trade. Where have you been? lol

He clearly stated to the world it would take Kaberle, Schenn and the 7th.

Burke went on to say Scheen wasn't going anywhere, hence I exchanged him with Stajan and a 2nd. (Not saying Stajan and the 2nd are worth Schenn) We all know TB was asking for the moon.

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If we are trading for Tampa's pick it is because NYI took Hedman and it the Tavares pick. That means the only name that isn't on the table from us is Gagner as the entire point would be to reunite these best friends to lead our forward core for the next 20years.

I would offer up Hemsky + Smid + 10th(Kulikov/OEL/Cowen/Ellis) or Visnovsky + Cogliano + 10th. But not Gagner.
Precisely. However I wouldn't throw Hemsky in the mix. I think just because that was Lawton's reported demand doesn't necessarily mean he'll get it, and it seems like if he is openly shopping the pick he is inclined to move it. I would hope one of these packages would work:

Gilbert, Cogliano, Omark (reunited with Harju), 10th overall
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2nd overall
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Gilbert, Visnovsky, O'Sullivan, 10th overall
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Malone, Harju, 2nd overall

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it's possible Kaberle would be in the deal. TB's owner publically demanded Kaberle to be involved in the trade. Where have you been? lol

He clearly stated to the world it would take Kaberle, Schenn and the 7th.

Burke went on to say Scheen wasn't going anywhere, hence I exchanged him with Stajan and a 2nd. (Not saying Stajan and the 2nd are worth Schenn) We all know TB was asking for the moon.

Which part of this did you miss? Schenn is obviously the key component of the deal. Substituting Stajan and a 2nd changes the entire package.

And, Burke did not say "Schenn isn't going anywhere." He said he called Schenn and told him it was UNLIKELY he'd be moved.

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Yeah, Burke was pretty teed off with the whole Tampa-Toronto rumor. He went on the FAN590 and AM640 the next day to put out those fires.

He said that he called Tampa GM Lawton to ask if this had originated from him, and he flatly denied it. And then he had to call Schenn and Kaberle to tell them that there was no such deal or even proposal in place.

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Which part of this did you miss? Schenn is obviously the key component of the deal. Substituting Stajan and a 2nd changes the entire package.

And, Burke did not say "Schenn isn't going anywhere." He said he called Schenn and told him it was UNLIKELY he'd be moved.
It doesn't change the entire landscape of the package.
There are 3 major components in that trade Darth. Kaberle has the most value. Lawton would be getting 2 out of three. How does that old song go? "Two out of 3 ain't bad" Thank you Meatloaf!

Lawton already knew from the deadline that Burke wasn't likey to move Schenn.

We all know that you ask for the sun and you settle for the stars. I'm sure all GM's use that tactic.

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We all know that you ask for the sun and you settle for the stars. I'm sure all GM's use that tactic.
Aren't the stars just suns that are further away? Wouldn't the stars be less obtainable than the sun?

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