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05-15-2009, 01:47 PM
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LA-NYI (Draft Day)

Saw this on another site. Whats everybody's take?

To NYI
Frolov/Moller, Johnson, 5th Overall

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1st Pick (Tavares)

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05-15-2009, 01:50 PM
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Very possible from an NYI standpoint, especially if it's Frolov instead of Moller.

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Why would Los Angeles do this? They're about to turn the corner, I'd think trading three big-time prospects for one just sets them back.

The value seems about right for the NYI though.

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05-15-2009, 01:55 PM
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Just out of curiosity, would LA take Tavares? Would they maybe instead look at Hedman?

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05-15-2009, 02:01 PM
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Just out of curiosity, would LA take Tavares? Would they maybe instead look at Hedman?
With O'Donnel, Quincey, Doughty, Greene and probably Hickey...the Kings would look good with Hedman.

Yet promosing players like Voynov, Teubert are also in the pipeline and I expect to see another veteran defenseman coming to the Kings.

If it's a choice between Tavares and Hedman then I think it's obvious who the Kings need the most.

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Saw this on another site. Whats everybody's take?

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Frolov/Moller, Johnson, 5th Overall

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1st Pick (Tavares)
As a kings Fan, No f-ing way

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05-15-2009, 02:04 PM
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If it's a choice between Tavares and Hedman then I think it's obvious who the Kings need the most.
But it's also obvious that Lombardi values defenseman MUCH higher than forwards. I wouldn't be so sure Dean would take Tavares with the 1st overall.

I hope and pray the Kings don't try to trade up for Tavares.

I'm much happier with Frolov/Moller, Johnson and MSP/Kane/Schenn than I am with just Tavares.

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Is Moller a centre?

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Is Moller a centre?
He can play all 3 forward positions but he is naturally a center. He played about half his games this season at center, then most of the rest on LW.

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Saw this on another site. Whats everybody's take?

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Frolov/Moller, Johnson, 5th Overall

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1st Pick (Tavares)
WAY TOO MUCH!

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Another Lemming jumping on the trade Johnson & Frolov bandwagon.

The kings need to add to what they have, not trade 2 impact players for another blue chip prospect.

The only way I trade Frolov & Johnson is to get Malkin or Staal. I would trade Johnson & 5th overall pick for Jeff Carter.

If the kings want to win the Cup they need a 1a/1b center & move Zus to the 4th line.

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Saw this on another site. Whats everybody's take?

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Frolov/Moller, Johnson, 5th Overall

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No thanks from LA.

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WAY TOO MUCH!
I agree...it should not take 2 good, young players in order to move up 4 spots.

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Another Lemming jumping on the trade Johnson & Frolov bandwagon.

The kings need to add to what they have, not trade 2 impact players for another blue chip prospect.

The only way I trade Frolov & Johnson is to get Malkin or Staal. I would trade Johnson & 5th overall pick for Jeff Carter.

If the kings want to win the Cup they need a 1a/1b center & move Zus to the 4th line.
Eric yes, Jordan no.

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05-15-2009, 02:45 PM
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Saw this on another site. Whats everybody's take?

To NYI
Frolov/Moller, Johnson, 5th Overall

To LA
1st Pick (Tavares)
Isles would be crazy not to do this. Someone fire up the fax and send it to the league for approval

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Just for the sake of argument, we want to keep Frolov. We need to add to our scoring depth, not take away from it. Lombardi may not sign him, but he should.

That's why I'm okay with trading JJ *IF* we get a nice return in scoring. I'd rather not trade JJ, but most GM's out there are going to target the following players if we go to the trade table:

1) Our 5th overall
2) JJ
3) Frolov
4) Doughty
5) Brown
6) Kopitar

The only reason they'd take the 5th overall by itself, is for an equally valued prospect, or pick returns. Other then that, they'd want what's on the rest of the list.

That's why most people are seeing JJ in trade proposals, since we can't afford to lose any of the others.

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05-15-2009, 02:53 PM
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While it would take a package like that to get the 1st overall, it's not the right move for the Kings. Getting JT would be great and his offensive contribution could possibly be close to a wash with Frolov (at least for the first year), but it would create a huge hole in the D. With no first rounder we would have to hope to get someone through UFA that could fill Johnson's spot and it would be very hard to get someone like that without overpaying (contract-wise).

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05-15-2009, 03:19 PM
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But it's also obvious that Lombardi values defenseman MUCH higher than forwards. I wouldn't be so sure Dean would take Tavares with the 1st overall.
Yeah but this "Lombardi loves defensemen thing" is also getting out of hand. I do recall Dean Lombardi has also drafted forwards...

Last season the Kings drafted two defensemen already and now the Kings desperately need quality forwards...even DL should know that.

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05-15-2009, 03:27 PM
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Yeah but this "Lombardi loves defensemen thing" is also getting out of hand. I do recall Dean Lombardi has also drafted forwards...

Last season the Kings drafted two defensemen already and now the Kings desperately need quality forwards...even DL should know that.
I totally agree with you. I just don't think you can put it past Dean to draft Hedman over Tavares if he had the chance. I will highly upset if we don't get a forward with the 5th overall, or anyt pick/player we trade it for.

Remember the quote about how he doesn't expect draft picks to make it to the NHL for 3 years and thus drafts the asset he think will be most valuable to trade in those first few years? His actions don't totally support that view but DL is Mr. Mysterio. The draft is never a given with him.

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Another Lemming jumping on the trade Johnson & Frolov bandwagon.

The kings need to add to what they have, not trade 2 impact players for another blue chip prospect.

The only way I trade Frolov & Johnson is to get Malkin or Staal. I would trade Johnson & 5th overall pick for Jeff Carter.

If the kings want to win the Cup they need a 1a/1b center & move Zus to the 4th line.
Um, define impact. Were you referring to JJ??? Not exactly "impact" by definition of 29 other team's fanbases. Just because he's got the high draft pedigree means very little. From what I've seen of him there is nothing special there. Should we call Gilbert Brule "impact" because he was taken a few picks late than JJ, played more games to this point with similar results? He wasn't even an impact player in the A last year.

And ask Philly fans what they think of Carter going for your package.

I'm not saying JJ doesn't have the tools to be a top pair guy, but it certainly isn't a lock (Carolina sure didn't think so).

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Saw this on another site. Whats everybody's take?

To NYI
Frolov/Moller, Johnson, 5th Overall

To LA
1st Pick (Tavares)
From NYI's standpoint, pull the trigger. I don't love Frolov, but he gives NYI much-needed offense up front. (Moller is less proven, and I do not wish to give up a high-rated future for a lesser-rated one.) JJ is just a kid with tons of potential. Could be rock on D. And with the 5th pick, you choose Kane or Schenn to man the pivot and you're off and running.

That said, why do the Kings do this? (Rhetorical question.)

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05-15-2009, 04:19 PM
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Just out of curiousity. Anyone in here think Moller and Frolov shares equal value? Perhaps I read fantasy proposal wrong, but that is just not right in my opinion

As for the deal. Moller, Johnson, 5th for Hedman- Yes
Frolov, Johnson, 5th for Hedman- Don't know
Any of these packages for Tavares- No

Just my opinion

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05-15-2009, 04:26 PM
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Just out of curiousity. Anyone in here think Moller and Frolov shares equal value? Perhaps I read fantasy proposal wrong, but that is just not right in my opinion

As for the deal. Moller, Johnson, 5th for Hedman- Yes
Frolov, Johnson, 5th for Hedman- Don't know
Any of these packages for Tavares- No

Just my opinion
Wait, so you value Moller MORE than Frolov?

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I don't see a need for LA to go crazy and trade for Tavares. We have our young franchise forwards. Add a big gun through FA or a standard trade and/or just use the 5th and take a top young forward prospect. Tavares would be great, but not at that price. Frolov needs to be re-signed, and Johnson is beloved by management and scheduled to be a first pairing partner with Doughty in the future. The draft is deep. Kane, Schenn, or MSP will be just fine... Just because we have the assets to pull off ridiculous trades such as these doesn't mean we should.

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Just out of curiousity. Anyone in here think Moller and Frolov shares equal value? Perhaps I read fantasy proposal wrong, but that is just not right in my opinion

As for the deal. Moller, Johnson, 5th for Hedman- Yes
Frolov, Johnson, 5th for Hedman- Don't know
Any of these packages for Tavares- No

Just my opinion
No, Frolov >> Moller.

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