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05-15-2009, 02:47 PM
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BOS / MIN: Kessel for Burns

Someone on the B's board brought this up and, while I'm not sure I would make it as a Bruins fan, I was curious to see what the larger fanbase thought:

Phil Kessel for Brent Burns

Why Boston does it:
-- they are going to be tight against the cap next season and Kessel is in line for a hefty raise...potentially in the $4 - $5 million range (especially if a team makes an offer sheet). Burns is signed for three more seasons at $3.55 million
-- the Bruins have pretty good forward depth (especially with Sturm back healthy)
-- the playoffs showed Boston's lack of puck moving ability & mobilitiy on the blue line (though having Hunwick and Ference hurt didn't help)

Why Minnesota does it:
-- will have the cap space
-- will need help on offense if/when Gaborik signs elsewhere
-- Burns has supposedly expressed displeasure with the organization over how his injury was handled
-- Kessel has local ties (played at Minnesota U.)

Would this be a fair deal? Who would win? Would anything else need to be added to balance it out?

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05-15-2009, 02:57 PM
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Pretty good idea, Id be worried about Burns' concussion though. Not sure of his status.

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In this cap world it makes a pretty good trade, I'm sure Burns will be good to go when the season starts.

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As a Bruins fan, I would rather move David Krejci for Burns, even if it means adding someone like Hamill. Why? Boston is stacked at center and by moving Krejci, Boston can resign Savard in 2010.

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05-15-2009, 03:19 PM
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Fair trade in the new NHL

Chara Wideman
Burns Stuart
Ward Hunwick

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it would depend on who the next coach will be i guess. looks like a pretty fair trade though.

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I'm going to be in the minority here because there are no Wild fans on HFBoards and everyone underrates Wild players because they play for the Wild, but I think Burns >> Kessel (I know they play different positions).

I can't see the Wild doing this.

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As a Bruins fan, I would rather move David Krejci for Burns, even if it means adding someone like Hamill. Why? Boston is stacked at center and by moving Krejci, Boston can resign Savard in 2010.
Really? I assumed Krejci was as untouchable as Lucic. Is there any consensus on this in Brunetania?

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Really? I assumed Krejci was as untouchable as Lucic. Is there any consensus on this in Brunetania?
Most B's fans want Krejci resigned over Kessel if it comes to that.

I wouldn't say that Kessel dislikes playing in Boston but I don't think he loves it either. He did say something like Julien's system "may not be what is best for him personally" but he didn't say it in an angry way just as a rational observation that he would probably get more ice time and more goals under a different coach.

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Most B's fans want Krejci resigned over Kessel if it comes to that.

I wouldn't say that Kessel dislikes playing in Boston but I don't think he loves it either. He did say something like Julien's system "may not be what is best for him personally" but he didn't say it in an angry way just as a rational observation that he would probably get more ice time and more goals under a different coach.
what kind of contract would kessell demand as a RFA?

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Most B's fans want Krejci resigned over Kessel if it comes to that.

I wouldn't say that Kessel dislikes playing in Boston but I don't think he loves it either. He did say something like Julien's system "may not be what is best for him personally" but he didn't say it in an angry way just as a rational observation that he would probably get more ice time and more goals under a different coach.
I've heard Kessel has an attitude (don't remember where). I recall someone saying he and Johnson wanted to punch each other in the head.

I'd want to keep Krejci too. Kessel is good, but Krejci looks FAR more dynamic.

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what kind of contract would kessell demand as a RFA?
There hasn't been any word how much Kessel will be looking for but if you look at what other young players have been signed for:

Jordan Staal - $4 million
Nathan Horton - $4 million
Brad Boyes - $4 million
P.M. Bouchard - $4 million
Ales Hemsky - $4.1 million
Milan Michalek - $4.3 million
Alexander Semin - $4.6 million
Jeff Carter - $5.1 million
Corey Perry - $5.1 million
Mike Richards - $5.7 million

It's hard to imagine him not getting somewhere between $4 - $5 million a year.

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I'm going to be in the minority here because there are no Wild fans on HFBoards and everyone underrates Wild players because they play for the Wild, but I think Burns >> Kessel (I know they play different positions).

I can't see the Wild doing this.
Well before his injury, Burns was highly regarded in the top 5-10 in HFBoards standards.

I think he belongs somewhere in between 10 to 15, maybe not more then 10 though.

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I've heard Kessel has an attitude (don't remember where). I recall someone saying he and Johnson wanted to punch each other in the head.

I'd want to keep Krejci too. Kessel is good, but Krejci looks FAR more dynamic.
We've all heard that about Kessel at one time or another. He's a pretty reserved guy and doesn't like talking to the media but I haven't seen any displays of an attitude problem except that in my opinion he does not always play as hard as he can. Still, he's very young and that could change as he gets older (like Marc Savard) and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Kessel scores 45-50 goals at some point.

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If Pierre McGuire is named GM, not a chance.

He loves Burns and has him as a lock for Team Canada at the Olympics.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2674...=headlines_nhl


Minny's D looks completely awful without Burns, especially with Zidlicky and Johnsson only 1 year away from UFA.

Kessel is a one-dimensional goal scorer, but Burns is a complete player who helps a team in so many different ways.

Plus I don't think Minny will have much cap room if they manage to re-sign Gaborik. If Gaborik leaves, they could really use a pure sniper like Kessel, but not at the cost of their best d-man.

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I'm going to be in the minority here because there are no Wild fans on HFBoards and everyone underrates Wild players because they play for the Wild, but I think Burns >> Kessel (I know they play different positions).

I can't see the Wild doing this.
I would rather keep Burns too if I was the Wild. He is their anchor on defense, and people are forgetting how good he was becoming before his injury issues. It doesn't help Minny at all to get rid of him. At best, they would be filling a hole by opening another one.

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Boston would have to add something to entice Minnesota.

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Boston would have to add something to entice Minnesota.
Jack Edwards + Phil Kessel then

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Jack Edwards + Phil Kessel then
I said entice them, not make them want to bang their heads against the wall

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Really? I assumed Krejci was as untouchable as Lucic. Is there any consensus on this in Brunetania?
I think The Bruins board prefers Krejci to Kessl 4 to 1. I am in the minority, but if Boston can resign Savard, and Begeron continues to regain form, they are all set. They do not have another potential 40+ goal scorer anywhere... The next closest thing they have are Sturm and Ryder... and they are more 25-30 goal scorers.


Also, the Bruins Board is quickly making Lucic the most untouchable player on earth, the group think is now: "As Lucic goes, this team goes"... I am apart of this group think.

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I think The Bruins board prefers Krejci to Kessl 4 to 1. I am in the minority, but if Boston can resign Savard, and Begeron continues to regain form, they are all set. They do not have another potential 40+ goal scorer anywhere... The next closest thing they have are Sturm and Ryder... and they are more 25-30 goal scorers.
I'm a big Bergeron fan, love his game, and I think he'll be back to 100% next year. But I'd trade him over David Krejci in a heartbeat, and I'd take Krejci over Kessel too. If it were between Kessel or Bergeron, I'm not sure.

Krejci is becoming a special, special player. And as you stated, there would be a lot of if's involved with the other options.

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I'm going to be in the minority here because there are no Wild fans on HFBoards and everyone underrates Wild players because they play for the Wild, but I think Burns >> Kessel (I know they play different positions).

I can't see the Wild doing this.

Yes, you are correct.

EVERYBODY of these boards underrates Burns specifcally because he plays for the Wild.

Hell, I'm a Leaf fan, Stajan should be an all-star but he's underrated because he plays for the Leafs

Burns is a good player

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Pretty good idea, Id be worried about Burns' concussion though. Not sure of his status.
Conditional pick based on Burns playing x number of games next year, then.

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I don't see Minnesota doing that trade as well. Burns is the cornerstone of the blueline. Plus he is signed for a VERY friendly cap hit.

I think even regardless of signing Gaborik we'll be close to the cap ceiling, trying to sign forward(s) to replace him.

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Although it's extremely doubtful Minnesota deals Burns, something centered around Kessel ++ would be one of the only realistic offers that may land him.

It would be imperative that the new brass think very highly of Tyler Cuma.

Personally I think the ++ would have to be too significant for this to make sense for Boston.

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