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05-15-2009, 11:59 PM
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So how does the Kuba extension work if they need to get rid of defensemen?
Kuba - Weber
Phillips - Lee
Volchenkov - Smith
Campoli

Those are pretty good defence pairings. Every pairing with a right and left shot. Kuba is a good defenceman and makes a good top 2 guy, just doesn't have the outright skill to be number 1.

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05-16-2009, 07:06 AM
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Counter proposal (Not a Nashville or Ottawa fan)

To OTT:
Weber
Legwand

To NSH:
Heatley
Lee/Picard

Ott's depth chart:
Foligno-Spezza-Aflredsson
Legwand-Fisher-UFA?
Ruutu-Kelly-Shannon

Kuba - Weber
Phillips - Lee/Picard
Volchenkov - Smith
Campoli

Leclaire
Auld

Nash's depth chart:
Heatley-Arnott-Erat
Dumont-Wilson-UFA
etc.

Suter-Blum
Hamhuis-Franson
Klein-Sulzner

Rinne
Ellis
I'd do it.

Weber - 4.5
Legwand - 4.5

Heatley - 7.5
Lee - 1.25 or Picard - 800,000

Ottawa takes on salary, but it gives us a top 6 forward who I think can get 25-30 goals with Ottawa. The only problem would be that Legwand is signed for 5 more seasons at 4.5

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05-16-2009, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnHodgson View Post
Counter proposal (Not a Nashville or Ottawa fan)

To OTT:
Weber
Legwand

To NSH:
Heatley
Lee/Picard

Ott's depth chart:
Foligno-Spezza-Aflredsson
Legwand-Fisher-UFA?
Ruutu-Kelly-Shannon
Legwand's a center, and I doubt he'd want to move, where else would he be number one in goals and points.

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05-16-2009, 09:35 AM
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Deal if you throw in Nashville's first and Ottawa throws in Picard for good faith.

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05-16-2009, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnHodgson View Post
Counter proposal (Not a Nashville or Ottawa fan)

To OTT:
Weber
Legwand

To NSH:
Heatley
Lee/Picard


Ott's depth chart:
Foligno-Spezza-Aflredsson
Legwand-Fisher-UFA?
Ruutu-Kelly-Shannon

Kuba - Weber
Phillips - Lee/Picard
Volchenkov - Smith
Campoli

Leclaire
Auld

Nash's depth chart:
Heatley-Arnott-Erat
Dumont-Wilson-UFA
etc.

Suter-Blum
Hamhuis-Franson
Klein-Sulzner

Rinne
Ellis
The salaries are close for each team at the moment but once Webers contract comes up I am sure he is going to want a lot more money and with a contract like Legwands I am think that it would be difficult to resign him.

To Nashville:
Heatley
Schubert
Kelly

To Ottawa:
Weber
Arnott
pick

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05-16-2009, 01:24 PM
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The salaries are close for each team at the moment but once Webers contract comes up I am sure he is going to want a lot more money and with a contract like Legwands I am think that it would be difficult to resign him.

To Nashville:
Heatley
Schubert
Kelly

To Ottawa:
Weber
Arnott
pick
Problem is Arnott is untouchable.

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05-16-2009, 01:27 PM
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I'd do it.

Weber - 4.5
Legwand - 4.5

Heatley - 7.5
Lee - 1.25 or Picard - 800,000

Ottawa takes on salary, but it gives us a top 6 forward who I think can get 25-30 goals with Ottawa. The only problem would be that Legwand is signed for 5 more seasons at 4.5
To OTT:
Weber
Legwand

To NSH:
Heatley
Kelly
Lee/Picard

Now you don't have Kelly signed for 3 more years at 2 M so it could help even up the salaries.

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05-16-2009, 01:31 PM
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Heatley's salary averages to 7 million per year on his deal for the next 5 years. Weber's is 4.5 likely to raise to around 6.5 when his deal is up in two years. This means an extra $6.5 million in salary over the 5 years that Nashville has Heatley instead of Weber, or 1.3 million per year. Do you really think having a more high scoring offence couldn't bring in another 1.3 million in ticket revenue over 41 games. That's less than Radek Bonk was paid this year.

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05-16-2009, 09:42 PM
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no way nashville takes on heater's contract,

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05-16-2009, 10:00 PM
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Heatley and Picard for Weber and Erat, perhaps?

Senators-

Erat-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Shannon
Ruutu-Kelly-Comrie
Neil-Bass-Regin

Weber-Volchenkov
Kuba-Phillips
Campoli-Lee

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Predators-

Heatley-Legwand-Dumont
Sullivan-Wilson-Arnott
Jones-Bonk-Ward
Pihlstrom-O'Reilly-Smithson

Suter-Hamhuis
Picard-Zanon
Koistenen-Franson

Of course, both of those lineups would be contingent upon teams retaining several UFA.

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05-16-2009, 11:01 PM
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Make it Spezza and you have a deal

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05-17-2009, 12:16 AM
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So how does the Kuba extension work if they need to get rid of defensemen?
Phillips - Volchenkov: shut down pair.
Kuba - Picard: had great chemistry this season
Lee - Campoli: great offensive puckmoving pairing.
J. Smith / Bell / Schubert are the odd men out playing for #7.

Switch Lee and Volchenkov if Philchenkov doesn't seem to be mobile enough.

All three of these pairings can split time evenly. It's a relatively good mix of offense, defense, and youth.

We've also got Erik Karlsson and Patrick Wiercioch likely to make the lineup in the future, so they will take Phillips and Kuba's spots.

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05-17-2009, 12:25 AM
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From Nashville

Shea Weber

From Ottawa

Dany Heatley

Nashville seriously needs help scoring. Ottawa seriously needs defensive help. Plus Heatley just finished the most expensive year of his contract ($10 million).
Add Sullivan from Nashville and Picard and a 2nd from Ottawa?

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05-17-2009, 11:08 AM
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First off, I'd rather take my chances on a "second tier" scorer in free agency. Weber is, IMO, a generational talent. If I banged my head on the bathtub this morning and decided I'd like to see him traded, it would be Weber for Heatley, straight up. An elite sniper for an elite two-way defenseman makes more sense than Nashville adding in one of their best forwards (Legwand or Erat) or a first round pick that could be used to add someone that's being favorably compared to Zach Parise(Jordan Schroeder), especially if it means bringing back players we don't particularly need like Picard, Lee, Schubert or Kelly.

Just have to pass. I just can't imagine a deal for Weber that I could feel good about.

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05-17-2009, 05:30 PM
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Counter proposal (Not a Nashville or Ottawa fan)

To OTT:
Weber
Legwand

To NSH:
Heatley
Lee/Picard

Ott's depth chart:
Foligno-Spezza-Aflredsson
Legwand-Fisher-UFA?
Ruutu-Kelly-Shannon

Kuba - Weber
Phillips - Lee/Picard
Volchenkov - Smith
Campoli

Leclaire
Auld

Nash's depth chart:
Heatley-Arnott-Erat
Dumont-Wilson-UFA
etc.

Suter-Blum
Hamhuis-Franson
Klein-Sulzner

Rinne
Ellis
Good deal... I think The Fuhr would lose his mind if Murray were able to pull off that deal.

Anyway, Ottawa would probably have to add more (though not much IMO).

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05-17-2009, 05:41 PM
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Weber will be a top 3 NHL dman, Norris contender, for the next 10+ years.

Healtley is a top 10-15 forward. He's got about 5 years, then he enters unknown territory with age/skills diminishing.

Weber has more trade value.

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05-18-2009, 02:46 AM
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Weber will be a top 3 NHL dman, Norris contender, for the next 10+ years.

Healtley is a top 10-15 forward. He's got about 5 years, then he enters unknown territory with age/skills diminishing.

Weber has more trade value.
Yes a guy who hasn't yet been nominated for a Norris trophy is going to be a candidate 10 times. And all of them will be with Nashville, he will never want to leave. Also as with all players, Heatley will decline to nothing more than a 4th line grinder once he reaches 30.

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05-18-2009, 07:38 AM
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Yes a guy who hasn't yet been nominated for a Norris trophy is going to be a candidate 10 times. And all of them will be with Nashville, he will never want to leave. Also as with all players, Heatley will decline to nothing more than a 4th line grinder once he reaches 30.
Yes, because that's what he said.

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05-18-2009, 08:27 AM
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I find it funny to see a bunch of Ottawa fans countering proposals made by Ottawa fans. The value of the Predator assets keep going down, while Ottawa's grow exponentially. The Predators would not make the first deal, in a 1 for 1 swap. Why would they then add more?

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This trade would not work. Valuewise the straight up trade is probably close, but Heatley plays a more open style in Ottawa and is able to put up those 50 goals. In Nashville he would likely be getting around 40 like this year when Ottawa was not as good offensively. Is that an upgrade for us? Yes, but Weber had 23 himself and is a defenseman, and if we are to believe Trotz he was hurt in the middle part of the year when he hit a slump.

Now the question for Nashville is do they give up good defensive ability, leadership, and toughness for 17 goals? I would not, and its not even close considering the money. I don't even think Ottawa would do it, if they trade Heatley and Alfredsson retires soon their top 6 does not look good at all. If they trade Heater or Spezza they will likely want to get some form of top 6 forward back.

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05-18-2009, 09:34 AM
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so trade one of the best young D's in the game for an overpaid player who wouldn't put up many points in Nashville's system?

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so trade one of the best young D's in the game for an overpaid player who wouldn't put up many points in Nashville's system?
Heater gets no respect on here its ridiculous, thankfully this deal would never go through and I dont think because its one sided for Ottawa. 50/50 players are extremely rare, one off year does not make heater a bad player with a horrible contract. Even with his off year he put up 39 g's, thats a pretty good off year I'd say. Ottawa hopefully trades no one this off season and next year and all the internet arm chair gm's will be commenting on the great value of our assets.

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Heater gets no respect on here its ridiculous, thankfully this deal would never go through and I dont think because its one sided for Ottawa. 50/50 players are extremely rare, one off year does not make heater a bad player with a horrible contract. Even with his off year he put up 39 g's, thats a pretty good off year I'd say. Ottawa hopefully trades no one this off season and next year and all the internet arm chair gm's will be commenting on the great value of our assets.
i didn't mean heatley is bad i meant Nashville has a self-imposed cap, and with the lack of a playmaking center Heatley wouldn't score as much as he would with Spezza

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I find it funny to see a bunch of Ottawa fans countering proposals made by Ottawa fans. The value of the Predator assets keep going down, while Ottawa's grow exponentially. The Predators would not make the first deal, in a 1 for 1 swap. Why would they then add more?
I'd do Heatley, Picard, and a swap of 1sts for Weber.

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05-18-2009, 11:29 AM
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Would Preds fans do:

Shea Weber D
rights to Steve Sullivan LW/RW
Antti Philstrom prospect LW?

FOR

Dany Heatley LW/RW
Alexandre Picard D
rights to Brendan Bell D

The salaries are basically the same. Nashville upgrades on forward and gets a solid 2nd/3rd pairing D man. The rights to Bell if they even want him at all. They give up a #1 defenseman a prospect and a winger that they might not even be able to resign.

The sens get their PMD, a solid second line forward that would resign for 2.5-3.5 and a decent prospect for Bingo. They give up a 40 goal winger and 2 defenseman that are lower on their depth chart.

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