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05-18-2009, 12:40 AM
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Brian Burke's Off-Season Game-Plan

Drury 7.05M cap hit (21.05M/3 years left)
Redden 6.50M cap hit (31.00M/5 years left)
'09 1st round pick
2nd round pick (conditional on making playoffs)
Del Zotto

for

Kaberle 4.25M cap hit (8.50/2 years left)
Finger 3.50M cap hit (10.50M/3 years left)
Mayers 1.33M cap hit (1.33M/1 year left)



Maple Leafs 2009-2010 Starting Line-Up

Ponikarovsky-Grabovski-Kulemin
Blake-Drury-Stempniak
Hagman-Pahlsson-Neil
Schenn-Mitchell-Tlusty
May, Orr

Redden-Schenn
Koistinen-Komisarek
White-Van Ryn
Stralman

Toskala
Gustavsson

Leafs trade:
-#7 overall and Stajan for #5 overall (B. Schenn) and a random schmoe (Kings then trade Stajan elsewhere)
-Kubina for 1st round pick (Kassian or Glennie) and a random schmoe

Leafs sign:

-1 of Komisarek or Ohlund or Beauchemin
-2-3 of May, Neil, Moen, Orr, McGrattan, Roy, Fritz, etc.
-Koistinen or random journeyman PP specialist
-Gustavsson or random journeyman backup goalie

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05-18-2009, 01:27 AM
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Just because you only want to pay $5 for something that costs $10 doesnt mean that $5 is enough.
Just because you want $15 bucks for something worth $10 doesn't mean you're going to get it.

Kaberle is good, but not that good.

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05-18-2009, 03:35 AM
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Yes you are right, Kaberle is very good but he is overrated. Leaf fans put him on a pedestal because there isn't anyone else besides Schenn that is worthy. Don't get me wrong he is a top pairing defenseman but he isn't physical, does not shoot the puck nearly enough, and Ron Wilson rarely uses him on the Penalty Kill. He is great on stretch passes and has good vision, but his defensive zone coverage is mediocre. That proposed trade of a 1st round pick and one of Grachev, Ansimov, Sanguinetti or Del Zotto is a GREAT trade.
No one on the leafs is worth talking about. Antropov is the highest point producer on the rangers stats board. Poni and Blake had more points then any Ranger but Blake is considered overpaid and is paid 3 million less a year then the likes of Drury or Gomez. Matt Stajan had one less point then Drury and he played third line minutes for more then half the season. Grabovski had more points then Dubinsky, Naslund and Callahan. Kaberle in his widely agreed upon bad season had more points then any Rangers defenceman all while only playing in 57 games. The same goes for Kubina. Ian White had the same point production as Redden for last season hell Finger only had 3 less points then Redden. So really if we're comparing the two teams I'm not at all concerned about the leafs. Kaberle is instantly the number one dman on the Rangers.

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05-18-2009, 03:39 AM
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Drury 7.05M cap hit (21.05M/3 years left)
Redden 6.50M cap hit (31.00M/5 years left)
'09 1st round pick
2nd round pick (conditional on making playoffs)
Del Zotto

for

Kaberle 4.25M cap hit (8.50/2 years left)
Finger 3.50M cap hit (10.50M/3 years left)
Mayers 1.33M cap hit (1.33M/1 year left)



Maple Leafs 2009-2010 Starting Line-Up

Ponikarovsky-Grabovski-Kulemin
Blake-Drury-Stempniak
Hagman-Pahlsson-Neil
Schenn-Mitchell-Tlusty
May, Orr

Redden-Schenn
Koistinen-Komisarek
White-Van Ryn
Stralman

Toskala
Gustavsson

Leafs trade:
-#7 overall and Stajan for #5 overall (B. Schenn) and a random schmoe (Kings then trade Stajan elsewhere)
-Kubina for 1st round pick (Kassian or Glennie) and a random schmoe

Leafs sign:

-1 of Komisarek or Ohlund or Beauchemin
-2-3 of May, Neil, Moen, Orr, McGrattan, Roy, Fritz, etc.
-Koistinen or random journeyman PP specialist
-Gustavsson or random journeyman backup goalie
Worst trade proposal of all time. Why the #### would the leafs take on two monster contracts. Redden isn't even worth half that contract and it goes for 6 more years and same goes for Drury. Look at my last post for the explanation.

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05-18-2009, 04:31 AM
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Just because you only want to pay $5 for something that costs $10 doesnt mean that $5 is enough.
What if nobody wanted it for $10?


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05-18-2009, 05:04 AM
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There is no reason for the rangers to give up anything for Kaberle until after free agency where they will be able to dump Redden or Roszival. That being said, the rangers don't have a single player who appeals to the leafs..... so a deal is really close to impossible to work out.... maybe 2010 & 2011 first rounders? I can't see Burke wanting to wait that long for picks to pan out.

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I think the Leafs would be pleased to take Gomez without the 1st round pick, but then Toronto would most likely need to add more unless Ranger fans have gone "insane" and think Gomez for Kaberle straight up is fair value. Most likely would have to be something like Kaberle and Poni for Gomez, and even that is still probably an unfair trade.
you know he has a 7 mill contract right? why would the leaf's even consider a straight up deal with that much salary coming back??

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05-18-2009, 10:07 AM
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That was only for this year, he was considered a top 10-15 d-man before this season. This year he didnt play like an all-star but you cant base his career on one season, and i still consider him top 20 in the league ATM.
How is that going to contribute to his value now? No ones gonna take Kaberle because he "used" to be good. Gordie Howe used to be an all-star, doesn't mean I'd want him on my team now.

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05-18-2009, 10:27 AM
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What if nobody wanted it for $10?

Then you keep it for 1 1/2 yrs, get your use out of it, and then sell it at the TDL when valuations go out the window... we are still talking about hockey right?

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How is that going to contribute to his value now? No ones gonna take Kaberle because he "used" to be good. Gordie Howe used to be an all-star, doesn't mean I'd want him on my team now.
Like he said, a career isn't based on one season - a season where he was actually pretty good, apart from his injury. You're just being ridiculous.

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The notion that the Rangers will add a $4+ million player on defense is laughable. This is a miserable offensive hockey team that is also extremely cash-strapped. To the extent they can afford to spend at all, it will be on finding skill.

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05-18-2009, 11:57 AM
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How is that going to contribute to his value now? No ones gonna take Kaberle because he "used" to be good. Gordie Howe used to be an all-star, doesn't mean I'd want him on my team now.
all I am saying is that he was considered a top d-man and after one bad year you cant write him off. He is still only 31 and can bounce back.

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05-18-2009, 12:18 PM
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all I am saying is that he was considered a top d-man and after one bad year you cant write him off. He is still only 31 and can bounce back.
I understand what you're saying. But since when do players who have bad years, get traded for monster packages?

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I understand what you're saying. But since when do players who have bad years, get traded for monster packages?
More often than players who have great seasons, no?

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I understand what you're saying. But since when do players who have bad years, get traded for monster packages?
Never, but that's why we should hang onto him, and even if we wanted to trade him while is value is low, we still should get a mid-late first, and a good/decent prospect.

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I understand what you're saying. But since when do players who have bad years, get traded for monster packages?
It didn't hurt Dan Boyle's value.

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It didn't hurt Dan Boyle's value.
True and SJ isnt sad for the deal as he was pretty much thier best player in the Playoffs, if the whole team played like he did they would still be in it. That is the one think Boyle has on Kaberle that is ever so important, he has proven several times over that he can be a #1 d in the playoffs. Kaberle has never blown me a way in the playoffs like Boyle did as I watched him try to take the whole team on his back.

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The only thing wrong with Gomez for Kaberle is his lucrative contract, which is on its way down since it was heavily front-loaded. Gomez is still a number one center or as close to one that the Leafs can get. Don't bet on them getting the Sedin Twins, the only chance is Cammalleri and he projects better as a winger. However, this would only be a scenario if Burke decided not to continue the rebuild and make a push for the playoffs. The 1st round pick scenario along with a mid-level prospect and possibly a roster player is a more desirable option. Would adding Dan Girardi as the roster player be an overpayment?
This is false. Gomez has 5 years left at 8, 8, 7.5, 5.5 and 4.5.

I have no interest whatsoever in Kaberle unless we can trade Gomez for Kaberle straight up. I'm not interested in giving up picks or prospects. Nor am I willing to give up any of our young roster players.

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kaberle, blake, and give back the coditional pick they got for antropov
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drury or gomez, zheridev and their first

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This is false. Gomez has 5 years left at 8, 8, 7.5, 5.5 and 4.5.

I have no interest whatsoever in Kaberle unless we can trade Gomez for Kaberle straight up. I'm not interested in giving up picks or prospects. Nor am I willing to give up any of our young roster players.
i agree. getting kaberle doesnt make us a contender for the cup right now. but making good picks in the draft and developing those picks will make us a contender in the future.

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kaberle, blake, and give back the coditional pick they got for antropov
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drury or gomez, zheridev and their first
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This is false. Gomez has 5 years left at 8, 8, 7.5, 5.5 and 4.5.

I have no interest whatsoever in Kaberle unless we can trade Gomez for Kaberle straight up. I'm not interested in giving up picks or prospects. Nor am I willing to give up any of our young roster players.
To the part I bolded, I say, "Yikes!"

Honestly, the only way that I can see (right now anyway) the Leafs and the Rangers make any sort of trade involving Kaberle is the Leafs having to suck down at least one (probably two) brutally horrendous contracts. I just can't see Burke doing anything like this, unless he was truly desperate (which he's probably not, for now).

Granted, the Leafs do have a need for a #1 forward line if they want to become contenders and a guy like Gomez could help in constructing that Top Line (at least in part). But let's face it... Gomez has one of the most brutal contracts in the NHL right now and there are few teams willing to trade assets for him and others on the Rangers whose contracts are just as bad (if not worse).

In any event, any trade involving Kaberle moving to the Rangers would have to include some form of enticement (probably along the lines of solid prospects, solid young NHLers, high draft picks, or some sort of youth mixture) to get the deal done.

Otherwise, I just don't see anything significant happening between the Leafs and Rangers.

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no thanks.
Likewise.

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I proposed this in the other thread-gomez,sanguinetti,and 1st for kaberle, and blake
It could use some adjusting but how is it?

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I proposed this in the other thread-gomez,sanguinetti,and 1st for kaberle, and blake
It could use some adjusting but how is it?
Gomez for 5 more years at 7.3 mill is atrocious. Id rather keep Blake. The leafs do need a #1 centre, and I think Gomez would be able to handle that, but his contract is just too big.

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