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03-23-2004, 12:20 PM
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Magic Number

St. Louis has 7 games for 14 points, and a maximum number of 95 points. It seems to me that they have the tiebreaker, so the magic number is 14...although I could be wrong. Any combination of Oilers won points and St. Louis lost points adding up to 14, and they clinch...

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St. Louis has 7 games for 14 points, and a maximum number of 95 points. It seems to me that they have the tiebreaker, so the magic number is 14...although I could be wrong. Any combination of Oilers won points and St. Louis lost points adding up to 14, and they clinch...
I think that is right . . . and for Nashville the magic number is 15 right?

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Nashville has 82 points, they can get a max of 96 points
Edmonton has 82 points, they can get a max of 94 points
St. Louis has 81 points, they can get a max of 95 points
L.A. has 79 points, they can get a max of 93 points

Here's how it breaks down, and to avoid confusion, this is so Edmonton has no ties.

Edmonton's magic number on St.Louis is 14 points, which is any combination of Edmonton points gained and St. Louis points lost... i.e. Edmonton going 3-0-1 (7 points gained), and St. Louis going 0-3-1-0 (7 points lost) is 14 points. If this happens over the games now, the Oilers would have 89 points and St. Louis 82, with Edmonton having 1 game left and St. Louis having 3 this will put Edmonton ahead of St. Louis in the final standings.

Edmonton's magic number on Nashville is 15 points (same thing, 16 combined points of Edmonton winning or Nashville losing). So if Edmonton goes 4-1 and Nashville goes 1-3-1, that is 15 points, which will put the standings at Edmonton 90 points, Nashville 85 with Nashville having 2 games remaining vs Edmontons 1

Edmonton's magic number on L.A. is 11 points.

Just to note, games against each team count for as much as 4! So if Edmonton beats L.A. in their next game, their magic number is down to 8.

Realistically, if Edmonton goes 4-2 down the stretch in order to not make the playoffs, 1 of St. Louis would have to go 4-2-1 and L.A. would have to go 5-1-1.

edit: sorry, a couple of seconds of bad math nearly ruined the whole post!!!
edit2: not a good math day so far!!!


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Nashville has 82 points, they can get a max of 96 points
Edmonton has 82 points, they can get a max of 94 points
St. Louis has 81 points, they can get a max of 95 points
L.A. has 79 points, they can get a max of 93 points

Here's how it breaks down, and to avoid confusion, this is so Edmonton has no ties.

Edmonton's magic number on St.Louis is 14 points, which is any combination of Edmonton points gained and St. Louis points lost... i.e. Edmonton going 3-0-1 (7 points gained), and St. Louis going 0-3-1-0 (7 points lost) is 14 points. If this happens over the games now, the Oilers would have 89 points and St. Louis 82, with Edmonton having 1 game left and St. Louis having 3 this will put Edmonton ahead of St. Louis in the final standings.

Edmonton's magic number on Nashville is 16 points (same thing, 16 combined points of Edmonton winning or Nashville losing). So if Edmonton goes 4-1 and Nashville goes 1-4, that is 16 points, which will put the standings at Edmonton 90 points, Nashville 84 with Nashville having 2 games remaining vs Edmontons 1

Edmonton's magic number on L.A. is 12 points.

Just to note, games against each team count for as much as 8! So if Edmonton beats L.A. in their next game, their magic number is down to 9.

Realistically, if Edmonton goes 4-2 down the stretch in order to not make the playoffs, 1 of St. Louis would have to go 4-2-1 and L.A. would have to go 5-1-1.

edit: sorry, a couple of seconds of bad math nearly ruined the whole post!!!
Man that pretty much sums it up. It's great that Edm is peaking right now. With York back, they have 2 pretty good scoring lines and I'm counting Moreau and Oates on the 3rd and 4th line. Two goalies that can and have won you games.

I hate to get over-excited, but I think we have a great chance here.

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Nashville has 82 points, they can get a max of 96 points
Edmonton has 82 points, they can get a max of 94 points
St. Louis has 81 points, they can get a max of 95 points
L.A. has 79 points, they can get a max of 93 points

Edmonton's magic number on Nashville is 16 points (same thing, 16 combined points of Edmonton winning or Nashville losing). So if Edmonton goes 4-1 and Nashville goes 1-4, that is 16 points, which will put the standings at Edmonton 90 points, Nashville 84 with Nashville having 2 games remaining vs Edmontons 1
But with ties, our real magic number with Nashville is 15, not 16 . . . Consider your scenario, for example. Even if Nashville wins both of the two games and Edmonton loses the one game, we still have two points on Nashville, of which we can afford to give up one since we need to beat them outright.

I hope we don't, but we might need that single point . . .

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But with ties, our real magic number with Nashville is 15, not 16 . . . Consider your scenario, for example. Even if Nashville wins both of the two games and Edmonton loses the one game, we still have two points on Nashville, of which we can afford to give up one since we need to beat them outright.

I hope we don't, but we might need that single point . . .
I meant ties in the standings.... but you are right. Id Edmonton goes 4-1 and Nashville goes 1-3-1 it's 15 points, and the Oilers would have 90 and Nasvhille 85 (with 1 game left for Edmonton and 2 left for Nashville).

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how about we just win them all?

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how about we just win them all?
What are you new?

These are the Oilers we are talking about.

They'll make it as exciting as possible.

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What are you new?

These are the Oilers we are talking about.

They'll make it as exciting as possible.

Are you lookin' for a scrap?

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Are you lookin' for a scrap?
Hey... I was the one who, when the Oilers were in 12th and 10 back, thought they would make it...

I can just accept reality... they will make it exciting.

Last night was nothing, that I promise you!

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I meant ties in the standings.... but you are right. Id Edmonton goes 4-1 and Nashville goes 1-3-1 it's 15 points, and the Oilers would have 90 and Nasvhille 85 (with 1 game left for Edmonton and 2 left for Nashville).
Right, and since we have more wins than LA our magic number is only 11. It should be a piece of cake.

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Right, and since we have more wins than LA our magic number is only 11. It should be a piece of cake.
See, I couldn't remember if it was head to head that was first, or wins... so that's why I wanted to ignore ties.

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Hey... I was the one who, when the Oilers were in 12th and 10 back, thought they would make it...

I can just accept reality... they will make it exciting.

Last night was nothing, that I promise you!
So, you're the one, are you?

Cool...
Just thought that things have been rather tame around here lately and you might be lookin' for some action.

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See, I couldn't remember if it was head to head that was first, or wins... so that's why I wanted to ignore ties.
Right. Gotcha. I just checked to make sure and the tiebreaker formate is wins, h2h, then goal differential.

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Right. Gotcha. I just checked to make sure and the tiebreaker formate is wins, h2h, then goal differential.
Alrighty, time for another edit.... :mad:

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so let me get this straight, if the Oilers carry the 2, cross multiply the X factor over to the left hand side of the factoring integer which in this case is a composite number over to the right, then find the reciprical of 1/8th to the power of 4, divided by 83, then technically, we will make the playoffs and win every series until we eventually win the cup....

oh wait, my calculator just died on me, let me start over.

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so let me get this straight, if the Oilers carry the 2, cross multiply the X factor over to the left hand side of the factoring integer which in this case is a composite number over to the right, then find the reciprical of 1/8th to the power of 4, divided by 83, then technically, we will make the playoffs and win every series until we eventually win the cup....

oh wait, my calculator just died on me, let me start over.

You almost got it. But remember, you also need to cross your tongue and roll your left finger while muttering "Newnan, miss Newnan".

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Well, I finally figured it out, the answer is 247.13

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lol... baseball and basketball are so much easier to figure out...

<b>NO STINKING TIES</b>

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