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05-19-2009, 03:12 PM
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Over Paid Defensemen?

With Toronto's history i think we could make a top six of hideous contracts

McCabe (5.75)-Finger(3.5)
Aki Berg (1.06)-Kubina(5) i know he's good, but 5 million? Really?

Is there anyone else, because i'm sure there is but i just can't find them.

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05-19-2009, 03:15 PM
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What's with the hate on Aki Berg? I don't think Kubina is overpaid either, I'd bet most teams would have given him similar money.

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Kubina is worth $5 million, in my humble opinion.

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I only see one overpaid defender.

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personally I would not pay Kubina 5 million. Finger's brutal. 2 million is what I would of given him.

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Out of those 4 just McCabe and Finger are overpaid. I dont care how bad you are, spending 1.06 isnt overpaying

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mccabe 15 goals and 24 assists for 39 points in 69 games and was florida's best d-man. thats right not bowmeester

finger had a career year points wise and only played 66 games and blocks shots like its nobodies business but his own,and was a -7 because it was a reflection of the team as a whole. so what are you talking about.

kubina is not over paid either on any team.

If any of these guys are over paid it is strictly a personal opinion.

league wise they are not. simple as that.

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05-19-2009, 03:52 PM
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Out of those 4 just McCabe and Finger are overpaid. I dont care how bad you are, spending 1.06 isnt overpaying
1.06 for Andy Wozniewsky would definitely be overpaying. He should only be making about 90 000 a year.

I don't think any of those D were, or are overpaid. McCabe earned his contract this year.

And Leafspring, exactly what you said.

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Kubina is easily worth 5. Redden makes 6mil.....

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1.06 for Andy Wozniewsky would definitely be overpaying. He should only be making about 90 000 a year.

I don't think any of those D were, or are overpaid. McCabe earned his contract this year.

And Leafspring, exactly what you said.
Haha you might have a point on Woz, McCabe may have earned his contract this year, but he was overpaid at the end of his time with the Leafs.

As for Finger I'm not saying hes useless, just that I think we could have had him, or a guy that does the same job, for less

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Kubina(5) i know he's good, but 5 million? Really?
Winning a Stanley Cup is great for the bank account.

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Winning a Stanley Cup is great for the bank account.
Id like to see what you'd get for $5M this summer as far as D-men go.

Nobody better than Kubina, thats for sure.


Year 1 of that contract may have been overpaid, but nothing since.

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05-19-2009, 04:35 PM
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McCabe ... or Finger, Van Ryn, Frogren, etc.?

After the Leafs drafted Schenn, I was kinda hoping to see a McCabe-Schenn duo. McCabe could've taken Schenn under his wing. Both played in the WHL, are about the same size, decent hitters, and McCabe isn't any worse defensively than say, Ian White.

McCabe was overpaid by about 1.5-1.75M ... same for Finger.

As it turns out, the Leafs would've been MUCH better off keeping McCabe last year instead of:

-signing Finger
-trading for Van Ryn
-trading a 4th round pick with McCabe for Van Ryn
-signing Frogren
-trading for another 4th round pick and taking a bunch of random TB salaries
-losing a 4th round pick for illegally signing Frogren




If McCabe and Kaberle had their contracts swapped for each other, McCabe is probably still a Leaf and Kaberle is the scapegoat.

Worst case scenario, even if he sucked again, the Leafs would've been closer to the Tavares sweepstakes ...

Oh well, McCabe's gone now. I hate to say it, but Cliff might've screwed us over ... hopefully Schenn will make up for it though.


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05-19-2009, 04:44 PM
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I can only see a case for Finger being overpaid on this list. McCabe was rock solid in Florida, Kubina is arguably our best all around defenseman and Berg plays in Finland for a measly 1M.

If we're talking overpaid defenseman you start the list with Redden(6.5M), then add a little Rozsival(5M), if you want 7.1M of hardcore offence you could add some Campbell, and if you want a little bit of everything at 5.5M Hamrlik is your man. For your bottom pairing you could add overpaid sole defensive defenseman Finger (3.5M) and Mckee(4M) to round out the roster.

Redden(6.5M)-Campbell(7.1M)
Rozsival(5M)-Hamrlik(5.5M)
Mckee(4M)-Finger(3.5M)

27.6M in 6 defenseman or in other words about half your cap space.

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1.06 for Andy Wozniewsky would definitely be overpaying. He should only be making about 90 000 a year.
If by 90 000 you mean minimum wage + partial dental coverage, then I agree.

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If by 90 000 you mean minimum wage + partial dental coverage, then I agree.
I don't know. Whatever avg AHL salary is these days.

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05-19-2009, 07:35 PM
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I'll never, ever, ever understand how the bad Leaf teams of 2006/07 and 2007/08 could spend more cap on their defense than most NHL teams and not have some overpaid defensemen.

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i expect more out of Kubina for the money he's being paid.i don't care what others are getting paid, if they play for another team.

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You guys need to clear some d-man salary soon. Schenn will be due a big contract in the near future and you can't have 18-$20m tied up in 4 d-men.

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i expect more out of Kubina for the money he's being paid.i don't care what others are getting paid, if they play for another team.
As I've said before, some other teams' bad contracts don't justify our bad contracts.

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You guys need to clear some d-man salary soon. Schenn will be due a big contract in the near future and you can't have 18-$20m tied up in 4 d-men.
Captain K is a UFA next summer I do believe, and then Kabby the year after that.

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McCabe wasn't overpaid. Berg, as much as I ragged on him, wasn't overpaid. If Kubina would put a year together like some of his spurts he wouldn't be overpaid, even so, he's only slightly IMO.

i'll give you Finger, so you've got 5 more to go

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Finger is the only one of those d-men that was overpaid.

People don't seem to understand that the market dictates the worth of a player, not what you think he is worth. 3 lesser defensemen signed prior to McCabe for MORE money than McCabe got. You can argue his trade clause but not his dollars.

As someone else pointed out, have a peek during this year's UFA spree and see what you get for less than what Kubina makes. Geez some people were talking 6 million for Komisarek for the love of God.

Heck if we're going to talk teams with bad defense contracts how about Philly:

Hatcher, Derian 3.500
Rathje, Mike 3.500
Carle, Matt 3.438
Jones, Randy 2.750


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Captain K is a UFA next summer I do believe, and then Kabby the year after that.
Yep,
Kubina, UFA next summer.
Van Ryn, UFA next summer.
Stralman/White, RFA next summer.

Kaberle, UFA in 2 summers.
Schenn, RFA in 2 summers.

Finger, UFA in 3 summers.

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Yep,
Kubina, UFA next summer.
Van Ryn, UFA next summer.
Stralman/White, RFA next summer.

Kaberle, UFA in 2 summers.
Schenn, RFA in 2 summers.

Finger, UFA in 3 summers.
That's why I advocated drafting Cowen this year. Kaberle won't be on a sweet year deal when we really compete and he'll ask for 6 million which I tell him to get lost.

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