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05-19-2009, 10:50 PM
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Van-NYI-TBay

Van deals:
Luongo ($7.5 mil) to TBay
Michael Grabner ($.765 mil) or 2nd round 09 pick to NYI

TBay deals:
Lecavalier ($10 mil) to NYI
Mike Smith ($2 mil) to Van

NYI deals:
1st pick in 09 to Van
Blake Comeau (RFA - $1 mil?) or Trent Hunter ($2 mil) to TBay


Results:
Van
1st pick in 09
Mike Smith

TBay
Luongo
Blake Comeau or Trent Hunter

NYI
Lecavalier
Michael Grabner or Van 2nd round 09 pick

Have fun and flame away folks!

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05-19-2009, 11:00 PM
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So Tampa Bay trades Lecavalier for what is almost guaranteed to be only one year of Luongo? Not happening. Vancouver is the only team that wins this deal.

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05-19-2009, 11:08 PM
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How does Vancouver win that?? I'd say NYI walks away looking the best.

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How does Vancouver win that?? I'd say NYI walks away looking the best.
This deal basically boils down to Luongo to Tampa Bay, Lecavalier to NYI, #1 pick to Vancouver. Islanders and Tampa Bay both say no

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05-19-2009, 11:23 PM
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1. Luongo would not waive his NTC to go to tampa.
2. Tampa is in no condition to challenge for a cup (And as such, does not want 1 year of luongo)
3. Editted because of the epic QQ.
4. Why would Van go into full rebuild mode and bother with Mike Smith? If you're going to tank a season, but cory schneider in net and get him solid experience so he's ready to go for the year after.


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05-20-2009, 12:18 AM
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1. Luongo would not waive his NTC to go to tampa.
2. Tampa is in no condition to challenge for a cup (And as such, does not want 1 year of luongo)
3. NYI have already said they want to tank next year.
4. Why would Van go into full rebuild mode and bother with Mike Smith? If you're going to tank a season, but cory schneider in net and get him solid experience so he's ready to go for the year after.

Nobody in the Islander organization has even vaguely hinted in this direction.


Sorry, but this is a pretty stupid comment.

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05-20-2009, 12:23 AM
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Nobody in the Islander organization has even vaguely hinted in this direction.


Sorry, but this is a pretty stupid comment.
It was my understanding Garth Snow directly came out and said that next year would be more rebuilding. Maybe tank was not the greatest word to use, but unless the person was directly lying to me I believe this is the case.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'll gladly retract the comment if Snow did not say that.

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05-20-2009, 12:26 AM
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Van deals:
Luongo ($7.5 mil) to TBay
Michael Grabner ($.765 mil) or 2nd round 09 pick to NYI

TBay deals:
Lecavalier ($10 mil) to NYI
Mike Smith ($2 mil) to Van

NYI deals:
1st pick in 09 to Van
Blake Comeau (RFA - $1 mil?) or Trent Hunter ($2 mil) to TBay


Results:
Van
1st pick in 09
Mike Smith

TBay
Luongo
Blake Comeau or Trent Hunter

NYI
Lecavalier
Michael Grabner or Van 2nd round 09 pick

Have fun and flame away folks!
The above proposal is so ridiculous it is not worth discussing, but here is a counter proposal that is a tad more realistic.

Isles give 26th overall and Pitt's 3rd rounder.

Nucks give 22nd overall.

The deal is conditional on there being a player at 22nd that the Isles want and don't expect to be there at 26.


An alternative:

Isles give their third and Pitt's third for VCR's second.

Same conditions as above apply.

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05-20-2009, 12:27 AM
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It was my understanding Garth Snow directly came out and said that next year would be more rebuilding. Maybe tank was not the greatest word to use, but unless the person was directly lying to me I believe this is the case.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'll gladly retract the comment if Snow did not say that.
Link?

Snow specifically said that he regretted that he was drafting #1 overall and hoped not to be in a similar position next year.

Going with youth and focusing on kids is NOT the same thing as "we want to miss the playoffs" "we want to tank" or "we don't care if we are competitive next season."

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05-20-2009, 12:28 AM
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Not a chance... vancouver is not giving up enogh for the 1st overall pick AND mike smith

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05-20-2009, 12:30 AM
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Link?

Snow specifically said that he regretted that he was drafting #1 overall and hoped not to be in a similar position next year.

Going with youth and focusing on kids is NOT the same thing as "we want to miss the playoffs" "we want to tank" or "we don't care if we are competitive next season."
I read it somewhere in the Hedman thread. It was a NYI fan so I assumed it was reliable (You guys are lucky... no bandwagoners, most of yours fan are pretty knowledgable /= )

I'll try to find a link though. (To garth's comment, if it exists. Not to the post on HF)

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05-20-2009, 12:31 AM
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The above proposal is so ridiculous it is not worth discussing, but here is a counter proposal that is a tad more realistic.

Isles give 26th overall and Pitt's 3rd rounder.

Nucks give 22nd overall.

The deal is conditional on there being a player at 22nd that the Isles want and don't expect to be there at 26.


An alternative:

Isles give their third and Pitt's third for VCR's second.

Same conditions as above apply.
Draft Elliot or DeHaan at 26th than 3 picks for the third round to restock our prospect pool. Sounds good!

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05-20-2009, 03:31 AM
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Van deals:
Luongo ($7.5 mil) to TBay
Michael Grabner ($.765 mil) or 2nd round 09 pick to NYI

TBay deals:
Lecavalier ($10 mil) to NYI
Mike Smith ($2 mil) to Van

NYI deals:
1st pick in 09 to Van
Blake Comeau (RFA - $1 mil?) or Trent Hunter ($2 mil) to TBay


Results:
Van
1st pick in 09
Mike Smith

TBay
Luongo
Blake Comeau or Trent Hunter

NYI
Lecavalier
Michael Grabner or Van 2nd round 09 pick

Have fun and flame away folks!
Here would make more sense (though still probably not possible)


To Van - 1st overall pick and a 4-6 Defenseman (If we were Lucky Paul Ranger/Matt Smaby/Ty Wishart)

To TBL - Alex Edler, Kevin Bieksa, and Vancouver's 1st 09

To NYI - 2nd overall pick and Vancouver's 2nd (or possibly 3rd)I figure if Tampa Trades 2nd overall they will be after D. They get 2 top 4 D. Edler who has a cannon and has top pairing potential and an Ed Jovanoski near clone (though without Jovo's speed). And I think Garth Snow doesn't deal the first overall pick but keeps and like Atlanta in 99 can pick whoever they want but player A (Tavares in this case).


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05-20-2009, 04:11 AM
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so garth can walk into vancouvers second round pick without giving anything up? man, if garth doesnt jump on that with both feet, i might consider driving up to long island and setting his dog on fire!!!! who could turn down an absolutely free draft pick?

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05-20-2009, 04:21 AM
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so garth can walk into vancouvers second round pick without giving anything up? man, if garth doesnt jump on that with both feet, i might consider driving up to long island and setting his dog on fire!!!! who could turn down an absolutely free draft pick?
No it is not free... It is under the condition that if the Canucks had the 2nd overall pick he takes Hedman/Duchene and not Tavares. It allows the Islanders the freedom to brag about 1st overall pick, without the Tavares though. Heck if they'd rather switch picks I'd be just as happy... (It could be as low as a 3rd round pick but I could see Snow pressing for the Canucks 2nd overall pick. But hey I highly doubt the Canucks deal for a top 3 pick (would love to see it but highly doubt it)

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05-20-2009, 06:57 AM
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No it is not free... It is under the condition that if the Canucks had the 2nd overall pick he takes Hedman/Duchene and not Tavares. It allows the Islanders the freedom to brag about 1st overall pick, without the Tavares though. Heck if they'd rather switch picks I'd be just as happy... (It could be as low as a 3rd round pick but I could see Snow pressing for the Canucks 2nd overall pick. But hey I highly doubt the Canucks deal for a top 3 pick (would love to see it but highly doubt it)
I don't know about these formal agreements not to pick someone. I can't imagine that'd be in writing. If it were, I imagine the union would have a beef about it. A potential #1 overall goes to #2 because of a couple of teams conspire about it? Heck, it would really piss me off if I'm a player even if it didn't mean money.

And consider a pick going for no tangible assets? I don't think that will pass muster with the league.

I'll say it again, the only way the Isles trade away the right to make their choice of #1/#2 is if they're ambivalent. And just because we don't know who they prefer, I see *no* reason to believe they don't have a (strong) preference.

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05-20-2009, 08:19 AM
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Van deals:
Luongo ($7.5 mil) to TBay
Michael Grabner ($.765 mil) or 2nd round 09 pick to NYI

TBay deals:
Lecavalier ($10 mil) to NYI
Mike Smith ($2 mil) to Van

NYI deals:
1st pick in 09 to Van
Blake Comeau (RFA - $1 mil?) or Trent Hunter ($2 mil) to TBay


Results:
Van
1st pick in 09
Mike Smith

TBay
Luongo
Blake Comeau or Trent Hunter

NYI
Lecavalier
Michael Grabner or Van 2nd round 09 pick

Have fun and flame away folks!
We don't want Lecavalier for the #1 pick. Not even close.

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05-20-2009, 08:49 AM
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1. Luongo would not waive his NTC to go to tampa.
2. Tampa is in no condition to challenge for a cup (And as such, does not want 1 year of luongo)
3. NYI have already said they want to tank next year.
4. Why would Van go into full rebuild mode and bother with Mike Smith? If you're going to tank a season, but cory schneider in net and get him solid experience so he's ready to go for the year after.




Do you know announcing that you're going tank leads to?
It can easily lead to (US) Federal RICO charges.

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This trade would never happen, regardless of how good an offer other teams can make.

Luongo has a NTC... and he's clearly said - in his own words - that he's not interested in playing in a non-hockey market again. I believe his words were that he wouldn't play anywhere where hockey wasn't "king" in the market...

there is ZERO chance that he waives his NTC to go to TBay... or the Islanders for that matter...

if he wants out, expect him to only waive his NTC to go to a contender in a hockey market.

So you can add whatever assets in a trade to make it a no-brainer for the Canucks to make that move, but as long as there's a NTC, there's no chance that Luongo goes to such teams.

btw, it should also be noted that Gillis has said he won't ask Luongo to waive his NTC... the rumours are that they will work out an extension in the next couple months, but if they can't, then it's up to Luongo to ask for a trade - Gillis has said he won't ask any of his players that have a NTC, particularly mentioning Luongo, to waive them without the player asking him first.

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1. Luongo would not waive his NTC to go to tampa.
2. Tampa is in no condition to challenge for a cup (And as such, does not want 1 year of luongo)
3. NYI have already said they want to tank next year.
4. Why would Van go into full rebuild mode and bother with Mike Smith? If you're going to tank a season, but cory schneider in net and get him solid experience so he's ready to go for the year after.
What? Really?

Dude, GTFO.

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It was my understanding Garth Snow directly came out and said that next year would be more rebuilding. Maybe tank was not the greatest word to use, but unless the person was directly lying to me I believe this is the case.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'll gladly retract the comment if Snow did not say that.
Garth had an interview on the last game of the season discussing the 1st overall pick, clearly stating he is not proud and hopes to make the playoffs next year. He looked like he was going to cry in his interview he was very upset.

Well maybe that's how he always talks but still no GM in their right mind would say that they're going to tank in public instead of maybe Brian Burke.

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We don't want Lecavalier for the #1 pick. Not even close.
Why not? It would be an absolute steal for us.

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Why not? It would be an absolute steal for us.
He is a 29 year old forward who declined in points in the past 3 seasons locked up long term to a contract which puts out a nearly 7M cap hit to his team, and actually pays him more than that(10M a year) starting this year? That obviously sounds better to a rebuilding, money losing team than a cheap John Tavares or Victor Hedman...

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