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05-20-2009, 07:50 AM
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Draft Day Trade - Toronto/Los Angeles

To Los Angeles:
Tomas Kaberle
7th overall

To Toronto:
Brian Boyle
Jack Johnson
5th overall


Thoughts? Suggestions?



Ps. Just wanted to clear up that this is not my proposal, I saw it on one of the other threads and thought it deserved it's own thread. Props whom ever came up with the idea.

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kings do not want thomas...and why would the kings over pay...makes no sense

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Overpayment much?

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Take out the picks and it might work. Find it hard to believe anyone is going to give Burke a top 10 pick in this draft.

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To Los Angeles:
Tomas Kaberle
7th overall

To Toronto:
Brian Boyle
Jack Johnson
5th overall


Thoughts? Suggestions?



Ps. Just wanted to clear up that this is not my proposal, I saw it on one of the other threads and thought it deserved it's own thread. Props whom ever came up with the idea.
Against:

LA:

Kulemin, Kaberle, 7 Pick

TO:

Jack Johnson, 5 Pick, 3 Round Pick 2009, 1 Round Pick 2010( conditional- If Jack not Resign!)

Ok?

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Take out the picks and it might work. Find it hard to believe anyone is going to give Burke a top 10 pick in this draft.
Nobody's giving Burke a top ten pick in this proposal. Did you even read it?

Anyways, this is basically Johnson, Boyle, and a 2nd for Kaberle. I'm not 100% sold on Johnson, but I like Boyle as another piece, so it isn't that bad. It's not something I'd jump on, but its reasonable.

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To Los Angeles:
Tomas Kaberle
7th overall

To Toronto:
Brian Boyle
Jack Johnson
5th overall


Thoughts? Suggestions?



Ps. Just wanted to clear up that this is not my proposal, I saw it on one of the other threads and thought it deserved it's own thread. Props whom ever came up with the idea.

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05-20-2009, 08:21 AM
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Against:

LA:

Kulemin, Kaberle, 7 Pick

TO:

Jack Johnson, 5 Pick, 3 Round Pick 2009, 1 Round Pick 2010( conditional- If Jack not Resign!)

Ok?
talk about overpayment by the Leafs.......Kulemin isn't going anywhere.

Jack will most likely resign so it would be a terrible terrible deal for the Leafs.

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Care to elaborate? If anything, Toronto overpays.

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5 Pick( MSP, Brayden Schenn, Evander Kane), Jack Johnson*( RFA-
can sign a multi contract!), 3 Round Pick 2009

* 1 round pick 2010(conditional- if jack not resign)


for

Kulemin( one-year contract for the RFA), Kaberle(one-year contract for the UFA- does not guarantee resign as Jack) e o 7 Pick(Cowen?)

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05-20-2009, 08:29 AM
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5 Pick( MSP, Brayden Schenn, Evander Kane), Jack Johnson( RFA-
can sign a multi contract!), 3 Round Pick 2009

for

Kulemin( one-year contract for the RFA), Kaberle(one-year contract for the UFA- does not guarantee resign as Jack) e o 7 Pick(Cowen?)
I hate to say it, but just brutal...


Breakdown...


Kulemin > Johnson

7th < 5th

Kaberle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3rd in 09


I mean, c'mon!


Oh and Kaberle has 2 years left on his INCREDIBLE CONTRACT!

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Kulemin > Johnson
I'm not sure about that, but you're right about the rest of it. I wouldn't deal Kulemin for Johnson either, but I think Johnson probably has a bit more value.

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I'm not sure about that, but you're right about the rest of it. I wouldn't deal Kulemin for Johnson either, but I think Johnson probably has a bit more value.
Potentially, but not if all these rumours are true that he is going to bolt to Russia. If LA tries to deal him, he almost has negative value until a contract is signed.

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Potentially, but not if all these rumours are true that he is going to bolt to Russia. If LA tries to deal him, he almost has negative value until a contract is signed.
I don't think anybody is taking the russia talk seriously, but it does raise character issues. Players who are perceived to be troublemakers have less value. Still, I don't think it knocks his value down that much, especially to a team that thinks they won't have any trouble playing him and dealing with any issues.

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Oh and Kaberle has 2 years left on his INCREDIBLE CONTRACT!

really!

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...OR&season=0809


Jack, 5 Pick(MSP,Schenn,Kane),2 Round Pick 2009( Tatar, Panik..)
* 1 Round Pick 2010( conditional- if jack not resign)

for

Kaberle, Kulemin,7 Pick





IS THAT CAN OFFER.


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To Los Angeles:
Tomas Kaberle
7th overall

To Toronto:
Brian Boyle
Jack Johnson
5th overall


Thoughts? Suggestions?



Ps. Just wanted to clear up that this is not my proposal, I saw it on one of the other threads and thought it deserved it's own thread. Props whom ever came up with the idea.
No thanks from LA. We're not interested in a 30+ year old puck-mover. On top of that, I'm more interested in drafting at 5th, rather than 7th.

If TO was dealing us a guy like Komi or Orpik, I'd be all over it.

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05-20-2009, 08:59 AM
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really!

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...OR&season=0809


Jack, 5 Pick(MSP,Schenn,Kane),2 Round Pick 2009( Tatar, Panik..)
* 1 Round Pick 2010( conditional- if jack not resign)

for

Kaberle, Kulemin,7 Pick





IS THAT CAN OFFER.
read it again. YOUR link show Kaberle signed for 2 MORE years. 09-10, 10-11.

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Lubo is the same player as Kabby and was traded so this deal makes no sense. JJ will re-sign in LA and they will keep the pick.

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You folks (Leaf fans) just simply over value Kaberle's worth. He is a very good PPQK but not a 30 minute go to guy on a good team. He can fill that role with the Leafs because ... They are not a good team.

If (IF) LA was interested Kaberle might (MIGHT) get you Johnson and Boyle (but that is not a certainty) so why would they also give the Leafs the 5th overall for the 7th overall.

And this quip.

Breakdown...


Kulemin > Johnson


Is just so Laffian, your prospect is better based on ?? Got that crystal ball warmed up do you?

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Against:

LA:

Kulemin, Kaberle, 7 Pick

TO:

Jack Johnson, 5 Pick, 3 Round Pick 2009, 1 Round Pick 2010( conditional- If Jack not Resign!)

Ok?
Goals against by dmen over 13.5min/gm played. Kaberle was the 6th worst dman at preventing goals.

No mater how good he is on the PP with his increased production. It can not make up for how terrible he is at even play. It would make your team 20 goals worse on the goals for/goals against column. LA. You guys are close.
This would set you back.

EDIT:How many more losses would because of the 20 goal differential over the season?


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No thanks from LA. We're not interested in a 30+ year old puck-mover. On top of that, I'm more interested in drafting at 5th, rather than 7th.

If TO was dealing us a guy like Komi or Orpik, I'd be all over it.
TBH, I agree with you. You already have Doughty, who should become better than Kabs. You shouldn't have to pay the price to get another top line puck mover, you can get a second liner or tough stay at home type for less.
Personally I think I'd rather get a package of a mid 1st and good prospect for Kabs.

As for swopping picks, a king fan came to our boards and suggested somthing around poni and the 7th for the 5th. I'd like to get somthing remedial back with the 5th, like a 4th or a low teir prospect, considering the difference in potential from 5 - 7.

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read it again. YOUR link show Kaberle signed for 2 MORE years. 09-10, 10-11.
Correct.

Kaberle is a great player.

It would be important in the development of Drew Doughty.

But I can not offer more than my proposal.

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To Los Angeles:
Tomas Kaberle
7th overall

To Toronto:
Brian Boyle
Jack Johnson
5th overall


Thoughts? Suggestions?



Ps. Just wanted to clear up that this is not my proposal, I saw it on one of the other threads and thought it deserved it's own thread. Props whom ever came up with the idea.
meh...

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The trade would make sense if LA was a solid Playoff Contender, but the fact Kaberle is a UFA in 2 years makes it not so great for a team in the middle of a rebuild.

One problem for the Leafs in trading Kaberle is the teams that would make a good fit are after they pick in the draft, so he doesn't make for that great of trading bait for the teams ahead of them


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No to original proposal, doesn't work for us we don't want or need Kab for that price.


My Homer Counter:

To LA: Luke Schenn


To TO: Jack Johnson, Brain Boyle, Eric Ersberg


My Non Homer Counter:

To LA:Schenn

To TO: Johnson, Moller

I was happy to see Burke to TO mainly for one reason, he is all business no sentiment. Burke will trade absolutely anyone if the right deal comes along. Nobody is "untouchable" on a Burke team( I know this is true for any team but especially when Burke is GM). And, well I've always wanted Luke Schenn on the Kings and if we could somehow pry him from Toronto we have a better chance now than this time last year.

I think the second proposal would get it done. It would suck to lose Moller I love that kid and his character, but having both Schenns would be worth it.

P.S. Don't say Burke already passed on JJ once why would he want him now(<--does this get quotation marks?). He didn't not value JJ he just valued Bobby Ryan more. In the '05 draft special you can quote Burke saying Jack Johnson is great kid and will be a captain someday. He's also expressed interest in Moller on a radio show I believe, I can't remember the quote.


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