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05-20-2009, 12:03 PM
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All Jack Johnson Proposals thread

Ryan Callahan for Jack Johnson straight up.. Would that be an even deal? They're both RFAs and the deal can help both teams needs..

Callahan can be the big winger that the Kings have been missing and would fit perfectly on a line with Stoll and Brown.

Jack Johnson can help the NYR defense corps, since both Derek Morris and Paul Mara are set to become UFAs. He's a physical defenseman and he can even be the QB to your PP..

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05-20-2009, 12:13 PM
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No. Makes no sense for the Rangers. Our offense blows, and Callahan is one of the few wingers we have that can score goals. We need to add scoring forwards, not subtract them. We can't afford to overpay another defenseman, much less one that hasn't proven much yet, when we have Del Zotto and Sanguinetti and Gilroy coming up.

And BTW, Callahan is not big. He plays big, but he's only 5'11, 185.

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Though I think Johnson hasn't proven anything, I still wouldn't mind having him.

That being said, I don't think either team does this. JJ could probably fetch a better return than Callahan, and the Rangers wont trade their only consistent forward for another defensemen. Callahan does everything and does everything well. On top of that, he does it with a level of intensity that is just a joy to watch and, according to Torts, a joy to coach as well.

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in terms of size comparison, i wouldn't even do this. Besides JMFJ isn't going anymore. The media is spreading lies and brainwashing your minds.

I agree. Jack hasn't proven anything in the NHL YET. But I'm confident if he stays a King this season, he will have a fantastic year.

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I think the Rangers are better off going after Frolov than JJ.

What would the Kings want in exchange for Frolov?

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As a kings fan I do this in a second.

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I think the Rangers are better off going after Frolov than JJ.

What would the Kings want in exchange for Frolov?
Too much... What did you have in mind?

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Not to mention JJ is up in the air in terms of where he is playing next season....he may bolt for Russia.

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Though I think Johnson hasn't proven anything, I still wouldn't mind having him.

That being said, I don't think either team does this. JJ could probably fetch a better return than Callahan, and the Rangers wont trade their only consistent forward for another defensemen. Callahan does everything and does everything well. On top of that, he does it with a level of intensity that is just a joy to watch and, according to Torts, a joy to coach as well.
Do you guys think that Sanguinetti, Del Zotto or Matty Gilroy are ready for the NHL? I know you guys have 4 returning defenseman for next season (Girardi, Staal, Redden (ew), Roszival).. I'm sure you guys will sign a Dman in free agency and the last spot will probably be up in the air for one of the 3 guys I mentioned earlier to win that spot.. But why spend money on a UFA when you can just get Jack Johnson and pay him 2.5 per year..

And Callahan is also a RFA, so he'll be expecting a big pay day, right?

I'm not 100% on how tight NYR is with cap space, but I'm sure they don't have much money to work with after that contract they gave Redden..

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Do you guys think that Sanguinetti, Del Zotto or Matty Gilroy are ready for the NHL? I know you guys have 4 returning defenseman for next season (Girardi, Staal, Redden (ew), Roszival).. I'm sure you guys will sign a Dman in free agency and the last spot will probably be up in the air for one of the 3 guys I mentioned earlier to win that spot.. But why spend money on a UFA when you can just get Jack Johnson and pay him 2.5 per year..

And Callahan is also a RFA, so he'll be expecting a big pay day, right?

I'm not 100% on how tight NYR is with cap space, but I'm sure they don't have much money to work with after that contract they gave Redden..
I think Gilroy is going to receive a trial-by-fire. He's the most physically and mentally mature of the 3, so I think he has the best chance. Sangs needs another 1/2 season in Hartford IMO, just to round out his defensive game a bit more. MDZ will probably spend a final year in the OHL unless he really impresses Tortorella. Though, many people thought he could have won a spot last year if we didn't have so many d-men signed already and Gordie Clark did say he expects MDZ to challenge for a spot this fall. So you never know.

Callahan is an RFA and I don't see him getting a huge pay-day. 2.5 million at the most IMO. We're in better shape financially since Naslund retired, so we should be able to resign Dubinsky and Callahan without issue.

I think Johnson could make our d-core quite formidable for the next several years, but it just doesn't make sense from a Rangers POV to give up Callahan in order to strengthen an area of our roster that is really only a year or two away from being very solid.

He's a fan favorite and the brass loves him. I think he'll be a Ranger for the next 10+ years.

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I think Gilroy is going to receive a trial-by-fire. He's the most physically and mentally mature of the 3, so I think he has the best chance. Sangs needs another 1/2 season in Hartford IMO, just to round out his defensive game a bit more. MDZ will probably spend a final year in the OHL unless he really impresses Tortorella. Though, many people thought he could have won a spot last year if we didn't have so many d-men signed already and Gordie Clark did say he expects MDZ to challenge for a spot this fall. So you never know.

Callahan is an RFA and I don't see him getting a huge pay-day. 2.5 million at the most IMO. We're in better shape financially since Naslund retired, so we should be able to resign Dubinsky and Callahan without issue.

I think Johnson could make our d-core quite formidable for the next several years, but it just doesn't make sense from a Rangers POV to give up Callahan in order to strengthen an area of our roster that is really only a year or two away from being very solid.

He's a fan favorite and the brass loves him. I think he'll be a Ranger for the next 10+ years.
Callahan reminds me so much of Dustin Brown, it's ridiculous

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A LA-NYR deal I could see happening would be something based around Johnson and Drury.

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I think the Rangers are better off going after Frolov than JJ.

What would the Kings want in exchange for Frolov?

No, thanks.

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A LA-NYR deal I could see happening would be something based around Johnson and Drury.
JJ and Purcell for Drury? Does NY need to unload salary? If so, there's an option.

Tweak the deal if need be. I'm not sure what NY needs, be it roster guys, prospects, or picks.

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JJ and Purcell for Drury? Does NY need to unload salary? If so, there's an option.

Tweak the deal if need be. I'm not sure what NY needs, be it roster guys, prospects, or picks.
No no, we don't want Drury.. If anything, Zherdev for Johnson straight up..

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What about something like this?

Johnson for Sanguinetti?

The Rangers may have to add but if Johnson doesnt want to play in LA that seems like a pretty fair return. Rangers replace Sangs with Johnson in their organization and hope he doesnt bolt to Russia. Although I think he would be the type of player who would play well under Torts.

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how about JJ and boyle - Rights to Zherdev and a second ?

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No no, we don't want Drury.. If anything, Zherdev for Johnson straight up..
That would be a very interesting trade. I would be interested in that.

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No no, we don't want Drury.. If anything, Zherdev for Johnson straight up..
Why not? Highly talented, a leader, with a strong on-ice presence. Not to mention he has loads of playoff experience.

You may want to get comfortable with taking on a guy like this, because Lombardi likes these types of deals.

EDIT: No, I don't what Zherdrama.

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drury is highly overpaid Zal

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how about JJ and boyle - Rights to Zherdev and a second ?
I dont think the Rangers can move Zherdev and their 2nd rounder this season. That would be a lot of offensive talent(because I would imagine they will use their second on a forward) gone in one package. Boyle is a player I would be interested in as a Ranger fan though.

Johnson, Boyle

Zherdev, 3rd 09

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drury is highly overpaid Zal
I totally agree, but he'd be a good addition to LA. I don't like his contract, but it's an option.

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Zherdev would be great in LA playing alongside Frolov ...

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I dont think the Rangers can move Zherdev and their 2nd rounder this season. That would be a lot of offensive talent(because I would imagine they will use their second on a forward) gone in one package. Boyle is a player I would be interested in as a Ranger fan though.

Johnson, Boyle

Zherdev, 3rd 09
Where do I sign ?

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Zherdev would be great in LA playing alongside Frolov ...
Maybe. It depends if Zherdev can pry the puck away from Fro to be effective.

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