eh--panacea's--we've been down this road before. Last time it really worked was when we signed Messier. We'll review the fix-alls--Gretzky (nice--but then we stopped making the playoffs), Lindros, Fleury, the return of Kovalev, the return of Messier, Holik and Kasparaitis, Bure, Jagr (at least resembled an elite player), Drury and Gomez supplemented by Redden. All these players were going to put us over the top. Of the above only Messier (the first time) and Jagr could be said to have lived up to their billing. The chronically injured--I'd almost want to put Fleury into this group--Lindros and Bure did not really work out at all and this is what worries me about Gaborik besides the innuendos in his background suggesting that he can be a bit of a slacker when things aren't going his way. Maybe these injuries are about to go away but I'd be very cautious about signing him long term and there's no way I'd sign him unless and until we moved at least one of Drury, Redden or Gomez. One other point--he might thrive in Tortorella's style of go to it offense but Torts also has a history of conflicts with his top offensive players--does he have the kind of character to be able to play hard through the good and the bad times? I really have doubts on that one.
No way. They have taken enough risks with big money contracts. One more failure big contract will absolutely put us in cap hell, if we are not already. We will have no flexibility but we will have a guy who might play 50 games for us. Waht would you rather sign Gaborik or be able to sign young players like Staal?
I dont think the Drury and Gomez signings are viewed as risks by Sather. I think he knew he was paying 4-5 million per year for actual production and thought it would be a good idea to kick and extra 2 million per in for "leadership and pedigree." Too bad you cant go wasting precious cap space on intangibles.
In regards to Gaborik, its an entirely different situation. The guy is a top 10 forward when hes on the ice. And I am not worried in the least about when it comes time to pay Staal. If worse comes to worse, someone will wind up in the minor leagues to create the cap space.
You sign Gaborik and even if he gets hurt, you can replace him with cheap, young talent (and you'll have the 'build from within' approach people always scream for). I dont know why people wouldnt want to hedge their bet by employing a potentially lethal Gaborik.
And 17GP. That's the point GongShow is making. You make it seem like he played 82 games and only had 13 goals.
I really really really wish we could sign Gabby to a 1 yr contract, maybe convince him it's to see if he can stay healthy or some bs. haha That'd leave us open to either him or Kovy next summer, if either were available.
Anyone else notice the goal song in the second video? Eerie foreshadowing.
You think I don't know he only played 17 games? That's my point. I don't care if he had 80 goals... if it is in less than 30 games it won't help them make the playoffs or the conference finals. You can't extrapelate the data and say, 'well if he had 13 on 17 games, he'll get 50 in 70 games'. Maybe he would... if he actually played 70 games. But he doesn't, he won't.
We don't pay guys by the game, contracts run over the course of a season. We can't pick and choose when we get to apply his talents to a game. We can't put him in games that 1 goal will be the difference. We can't save him for the playoffs. He will play if he's healthy and only then. Last season, he was 'healthy' for 17 games. That is not worth $8m. It's not worth $5m. It's worth whatever Dubinsky is making... about $1m.
Someone brought up Briere. Imagine that we signed him instead of Drury. Imagine that every game he played he notched a point. Now picture him last season missing most of it with groin problems and how we would all be complaining about signing his fragile ass instead of Drury, cause at least Drury will play every game and contribute when he's not scoring. Plus we are crippled by his absence and cap hit... cause you only get relief if you need it.
You think I don't know he only played 17 games? That's my point. I don't care if he had 80 goals... if it is in less than 30 games it won't help them make the playoffs or the conference finals. You can't extrapelate the data and say, 'well if he had 13 on 17 games, he'll get 50 in 70 games'. Maybe he would... if he actually played 70 games. But he doesn't, he won't.
We don't pay guys by the game, contracts run over the course of a season. We can't pick and choose when we get to apply his talents to a game. We can't put him in games that 1 goal will be the difference. We can't save him for the playoffs. He will play if he's healthy and only then. Last season, he was 'healthy' for 17 games. That is not worth $8m. It's not worth $5m. It's worth whatever Dubinsky is making... about $1m.
Someone brought up Briere. Imagine that we signed him instead of Drury. Imagine that every game he played he notched a point. Now picture him last season missing most of it with groin problems and how we would all be complaining about signing his fragile ass instead of Drury, cause at least Drury will play every game and contribute when he's not scoring. Plus we are crippled by his absence and cap hit... cause you only get relief if you need it.
he played 77 games the year before.....he had 42 goals and 41 assists for 83 points....on a TOTALLY defensive team. Briere has only had 2 seasons in his career where he missed more then 30 games. injuries happen regardless, thats a gamble you take with any player in not only the NHL but ALL OF SPORTS! just because one guy who had chronic groin/hip problems because of a misdiagnosed torn labrum in his hip, who had it surgically repaired and when he came back played without any pain or hesitation, doesnt mean that he will get injured all the time now. the surgery FIXED HIS PROBLEM!. gaborik has missed over 15 games in a season 4 times, 3 due to injury, ALL WITH HIS HIP/GROIN PROBLEMS, HE HAD SURGERY THAT FIXED IT, if you have a chance to get an elite player who has scored over 40 goals in a single season, for a contract of around 6-7 million, i dont care what injuries he's had in his history, you do it. if he can play atleast 70 games a year for your team, and score around 30-40 goals, thats a big difference for a team who IS LACKING A TRUE SCORING THREAT!!!!!!!!!!
Where's the Gaborik Playoff Highlight reel? Oh wait, there isn't one. The Rangers have enough guys that lack grit disappear in the playoffs, they don't need another higher paid one.
Where's the Gaborik Playoff Highlight reel? Oh wait, there isn't one. The Rangers have enough guys that lack grit disappear in the playoffs, they don't need another higher paid one.
hes played 29 playoff games and hes got 12 goals and 10 assists. that looks like a playoff performer to me.
Gaborik scored 13 goals last season. That would be what on our team? Tied for 7th.
You want to pay $8m for 13 goals, or in other words you think Dubinsky deserves $8m?
I thought we needed scoring help really bad. Ha, well if you sign Gaborik you get scoring help - really bad. I don't care about potential or hypotheticals or best case scenerios... they're not realistic. Suddenly his contract with the New York Rangers will render him completely healthy and his long injury history will be a thing of the past. He is going to get hurt, he is going to pout, he is going to be a black hole for our cap.
Best case scenrio... ha. Let's rely on that because its how the world works as we have witnessed with Drury, Gomez, Redden, Zherdev, Bure, Lindros, Poti, Dunham, Kamensky, Kovalev, etc. I left off Naslund because we just got the best case scenrio out of him - retirement.
I've said it before, if Gaborik wants to play here so bad and if he thinks his injury days are a thing of the past... sign a one year deal at $4m. He'll stay healthy to cash in the following season when he's proven himself. If that's not to his liking, he can keep on walking.
Do you know just how much fail this arguement has?
Ok gaborik is tied for 7th with 13 goals(Dubinsky)
Dubinsky played 82 games = 13 goals(btw really? he got THAT many? )
Gaborik = under 30 games = 13 goals tied for 7th on our team
Do you know just how much fail this arguement has?
Ok gaborik is tied for 7th with 13 goals(Dubinsky)
Dubinsky played 82 games = 13 goals(btw really? he got THAT many? )
Gaborik = under 30 games = 13 goals tied for 7th on our team
You guys are so simple you can't even pick up sarcasm or irony.
17 games. He only played 17. That doesn't help a team during an 82 game season. 17 games is not worth $8m.
And by the way, the Richard trophy isn't handed out on a goals per game basis. It's total goals, so when he only scores 13, it still only adds up to 13. He's still only going to be the 7th best scorer on the team. You want to throw $8m around? Do it for a player that plays more than 17 games.
And this face palm, epic fail crap better stop real soon because I'm not going to discuss hockey with people who can't articulate themselves properly.
Do you know just how much fail this arguement has?
Ok gaborik is tied for 7th with 13 goals(Dubinsky)
Dubinsky played 82 games = 13 goals(btw really? he got THAT many? )
Gaborik = under 30 games = 13 goals tied for 7th on our team
The problem with Gaborik if he's not able to play major portions of a season is he doesn't help us in all the games he misses. If he plays 40 games and gets 30 goals that's great but what happens in the 42 games might be very cruical to how the season goes. Spending $8 mil per on what ifs or maybes is something we've seen before--it's part of the reason the Rangers blew off prospect development from around 1998-2003--the attitude that we could fix things by spending our way out of the problem. That old way dies hard for some--we should find money to scrape up time after time--and it's always for real the next time. At this point in time I don't think Gaborik is the solution and I'm more worried about having money around next year when Marc Staal will be getting a raise. The quick fixes should be on hold anyway until some of our other quick fixes--Gomez, Drury, Redden--in the long line of solutions that didn't work out--take your pick are off the payroll.
i wouldnt be too worried with the need to resign staal, gomez's contract becomes more entertaining to other teams starting next season and i wouldnt be too concerned about it. staal will want a hefty pay raise, but honestly if i am him i dont rush to get that huge pay day just yet, i take a 2-3 year contract, continue developing, and then i go looking for that huge contract, which i see him doing, he would be entering the prime of his career by the end of a 3-4 year deal. even though he is a young stud i can see him taking 3-4 mil for 3-4 years and then go after that big contract. once he can sustain himself as being a top-flight player then he will go after the big bucks. just my opinion on that one.
and please, dont worry about next offseason when we have this whole offseason yet to even start. we might have a few of our young studs becoming Restricted Free Agents, but i honestly wouldnt be too concerned about it, if there is anything sather has done since the lockout, He hasnt gotten rid of/ let go of any of our young studs who are ACTUAL contributors. prucha dawes kondratiev montoya dont count. they werent producing nor would montoya have gotten the chance.
You guys are so simple you can't even pick up sarcasm or irony.
17 games. He only played 17. That doesn't help a team during an 82 game season. 17 games is not worth $8m.
And by the way, the Richard trophy isn't handed out on a goals per game basis. It's total goals, so when he only scores 13, it still only adds up to 13. He's still only going to be the 7th best scorer on the team. You want to throw $8m around? Do it for a player that plays more than 17 games.
And this face palm, epic fail crap better stop real soon because I'm not going to discuss hockey with people who can't articulate themselves properly.
Name the bet.
Ill take the over on Gaborik playing 17 games next season...Ill also take the over on 13 goals.
gaborik isnt some old-timer whose washed up either, he's not on the downside of his career, hes entering the prime of his career, hes 27 so no its not like signing drury or redden who were in their thirties and hes younger then gomez. hes also younger then antropov.
Is this just speculation on your part? I haven't seen the 2009/10 cap number posted anywhere. According to nhlscap.com it won't be available until the end of June.
I'd love Gaborik, however I don't want us to be stuck in some sort of Rick Dipietroesque problem...he's a huge risk huge reward, but we've seen this before with guys like Bure.
I'd love Gaborik, however I don't want us to be stuck in some sort of Rick Dipietroesque problem...he's a huge risk huge reward, but we've seen this before with guys like Bure.
yea but also with bure we didnt sign him, we traded for him and gave up Filip Novak who became nothing, Igor Ulanov(nada), a 1st round pick that florida traded to calgary which became Eric Nystrom....3rd-4th liner really, a 2nd rounder who was Rob Globke (whose that?), and a 4th rounder who ended up being a nobody. yea we traded for him, and we took a chance, but if you look at what we gave up, theres nothing there that i regret trading away to be truly honest.
i wouldnt be too worried with the need to resign staal, gomez's contract becomes more entertaining to other teams starting next season and i wouldnt be too concerned about it.
How so? After next year he'll still have 4 years left at 8, 7.5, 5.5 and 4.5.
I lived in Minnesota for three years and I can tell you that Gaborik is an absolutely breathtaking player. He is also an all-around player, not a one dimensional scorer that some would like you to believe. If he played in Philadelphia or Detroit, the national media would have been all over him.
Health is a big issue. The hip injury he had this year was different from the groin problems that have slowed him down over the past few years. The surgery was similar to what Michael Sauer had done a couple of years ago and once solved that seems to have worked out OK. Also his chronic problems aren't knees (which wear out) and head (which really can't be fixed).I have no idea how you can make the salary cap work here but I am all up for trying. He would be the one natural goalscorer out there that a) is available and b) would not come at a ridiculous cost in assets.
Where's the Gaborik Playoff Highlight reel? Oh wait, there isn't one. The Rangers have enough guys that lack grit disappear in the playoffs, they don't need another higher paid one.
He was very good in the playoffs prior to 2008. Last year the Avs did everything possible to shut him down (checked by Forsberg, shadowed by Foote) and were successful. He doesn't disappear in the playoffs.
exactly that reason, its another year that the team that does end up trading for him doesnt have to pay him 8 mil. haha, as much as we want to see sather work some magic and trade him, i honestly think that rozy is the only big contract to be traded away this offseason. next offseason in my opinion will be the offseason that gomez is traded.
yea but also with bure we didnt sign him, we traded for him and gave up Filip Novak who became nothing, Igor Ulanov(nada), a 1st round pick that florida traded to calgary which became Eric Nystrom....3rd-4th liner really, a 2nd rounder who was Rob Globke (whose that?), and a 4th rounder who ended up being a nobody. yea we traded for him, and we took a chance, but if you look at what we gave up, theres nothing there that i regret trading away to be truly honest.
Maybe instead of Nystrom we would have taken Semin. I wouldn't mind having him right about now.
lets just ****ing throw another big time contract at Gaborik too.
see were screwd allready cap wise but if they pull this off ,we might get a player who suddenly makes the whole team explode (everyone suddenly gets better with him in the locker room)
OR/AND
then in 5 years we be the total suckage of the league and get nice first overall kids
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